Wow nice info. Did you pull an all-night’er? cause judging from you last post you did. not that I mind but thats gonna burn you again man, well it would me but some people like the thrill of working hard to meet deadlines. differnt strokes for differnt folks i guess. anyway thank man

Why Awareness for Blood over SotVH? In my parses DC is usually 1-2% more of my overall damage compared to DS.

Hiya SJ!

I’ve read all comments about 3.2 Frost Tank DW and i have a question.

If i’m Hit (8%) and Expertise (26 pts) Capped, is really pointless about Dual Wield on Tanking ?

That annoyed me a little, i was preparing to change to DW because the stats of 1h swords are great compared to 2h.

Thanks in advance!

I posted this accidently in the pve unholy section, but I was wondering, it says that Improved Icy Talons would not really be used since we would use pestilence to keep diseases up. Now would that 1 point be worth being put into Killing Machine, or does the 5% perm haste it gives stack with the 20% from Icy Talons (since frost fever will keep being refreshed).

How about the sigil of Razorscale Uld 25, which gives 136 dodge after a rune strike ?

I usually use my tps very dependent on rune strike spam, that’s why i’m talking to it.

More avoidance, more Rune Strike spam, more threat, I can say that works for me until now.

Thanks again!

Oops, my mistake. O.o

thanks its awesome to see all the specs but which has the highest damage output.

Hi SJ, very nice site and thanks for the info! One question… Is the post for Leveling DK (following Blood hybrid (41/13/17) still going to be a good leveling build or would you suggest something different for leveling in 3.2? Thanks again for all the great help!

I know I’m not SJ but with my 10/25 man naxx gear blood was the leader for me on the PTR maybe cause I’m more used to it though.

50/0/21 is far behind 51/0/20 cause DRW was buffed and UB was nerfed to under even its old single target damage along with the removal of its AoE

That said do what makes you happy if you don’t like how tight the blood rotation is or you just think dual-wielding is aesthetically pleasing then do it. Or do what your “supposed to do” and and get burnt out and quit wow cause it got boring or you had to raid too much

Bah not that its important but I meant 51/0/20. I dps for my group, and was starting to pick up pieces for a tanking offset, with the changes made to DK tanking i’m wondering if I should bother. IMO blizz really dropped the ball with DK tanking nerfs. I am not saying that we shouldn’t have been nerfed at all but they over did it, I think.

hi sj.. i am currently UH 12/0/59.. i want to go into FrostDW wen the patch hits EU servers (tomorrow).. but i have no 1h weapons could u please make a guide or suggestions on what spec to start the patch in, bearing in mind what im currently using and which 1h are BIS for the frost build and what 1h’s do u suggest starting the spec in, 1hs that are easyly atainable?

thanks.. Acetyl (eu bladefist)

Hey SJ. I noticed you had something about champions online in a previous post. I was just wondering if you had heard about a game called Aion. I’ve tried the beta and I really like it. I have been growing tired of wow lately like a few other people and it was a very nice change. Just letting you know.

I noticed that my rotation for Frost Tanking is a lot different than the one you suggested. The rotation I generally use is:

Icy Touch – Plague Strike – Pestilence – Howling Blast – Blood Boil – RP …

And I mix in some Rune Strikes, KM Frost Strikes, Rime HB’s are they Proc…

Albeit it’s not as clean as yours, but I was wondering if you could tell me if your rotation would generate a lot more threat than mine or what the clear reason is behind your Frost Tank Rotation?

Also, just a thank you for all of the excellent information you post! Awesome job!

Quick question for when the realms come back up. I’m currently running a 12/0/59 UH Spec. Only one piece of T8 so far (Still using 4/5 t7.5). I’m wondering if i should stick with that or will the 0/10/61 be better in the new patch with my current gear level. As far as I can tell at the moment my choices are to stick with my current build, or go 0/10/61 or 51/0/20 until my ArmPen gets up and I can use an Oblit build.

Ahh ok, Skeleton, I was referring to an AoE rotation… It’s early, i’m on a new work schedule and wasn’t thinking clearly to specify. Haha.

As far as the Runeforging is concerned, do you not think the 2% stamina buff for Stoneskin Gargoyle is worth taking over the 4% parry buff of Swordshattering? I know you said take the former if you’re not defense capped and the latter for avoidance. Is that +2% stamina really not worth factoring in on that decision, especially with the stamina reduction in the 3.2 patch?

Thanks a lot, Skeleton.

ignore my previous question, got the builds mixed up

Frost d/w seems to be doing less damage than the blood builds. It seems to be an alternative for those who enjoy a rogue-like playstyle at the cost of slightly lower damage. I do see some frost nerfs incoming if there is a large scale miagration to frost though, since blizz basically stated that 2h is more iconic of the class and that they would rather not see the majority of us dual wielding. Of course they also said it should be a viable alternative. Go figure.

He said it was the best out of dual wield specs, not the best raid spec.

Hi,

sorry to be a dunce but what does the // in rotations signify?

Thanks

Hey Jack I’ve got a question about DW DPS. Do you feel it’s going to be absolutely required to get BIS slow weapons before speccing to frost dw pve? I love DWing on my DK and unfortunately I’m not going to be able to do it as a tank(2her for this). But I want to pick up the blue swords from Ebon Blade rep to give DW frost a shot, will that be viable over my 2h blood spec? I was avging almost 3200 dps in moderate gear as blood 2H but I really want to give DW a shot, but do not have access to the highest tier weapons yet.

Jack you rule! Donation coming next Tuesday when I get paid!

Could you suggest a build for dps taking into account a Constant latency of atleast 400ms eg playing from Australia.

AKA what is the build that tolerates lag best?

Oh the same for a tanking spec too please SJ Latency and all.

Champs online looks so sick but when i went to check out the open beta i ran into the problem that it seems you can only try the “Open” beta if your a fileplanet user? is this the case or am i missing something? if so how do i go about checking out the game before the lifetime membership offer is gone (they are supposedly only allowing lifetime for $199 until sept 1st) — with LOTRO ive easily paid close to 199 goin back and forth between wow and LOTRO and it would be nice to have lifetime and never worry about it, but id like to make sure i like the game first, the videos make it just flat out amazing looking, im SOOO GLad you spoke of it in your blog, im more interested in that right now than the 3.2 content…..just grabbed me and pulled me right in, may have to preorder just to try the beta and have a chance at the lifetime membership if i have no other option or way to actually Test it first…

ok im new to this site and i looked for the answer and couldnt find it …. yes im also new to a dk and such so please dont get upset … im also a new 80 haha … anyway in your rotations u have a first set of attacks // then a second set …. whats the first set for whats the // for and the second set

Hey Skeleton Jack, you have a great blog! I was wondering if you could shoot me an email for some information about you blog, or I’d love to email you but I don’t see a contact page anywhere or an email.

tolzan@azzor.com

I was wondering on the new 3.2 Unholy Tanking Build, is the ghoul not an important factor for the unholy tanking build?

Ty for putting so much hard work and detail into your guides. And ty for being so knowledgeable when it comes to DK’s, because so many people are so illiterate of their own class its ridiculous, unlike you.. Your like the DK god ty

Thanks for all of your hard work. As usual it’s great to have on patch day for sure but always nice to have at your fingertips.

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Sorry should have read the comments more thoroughly One question…

“// in a rotation represents the break in two 10 sec rotations for the entire 20 second rotation.”

Why do we need a break? Do we need to separate these two rotations with a DC or something? If not then why is there a break at all? Why not have just one 20 second rotation? How would you set these up in a macro?

Thanks Really love and appreciate all your hard work for us dude.

So, basically, scourge strike got nerfed, diseases got buffed. How that balances out for 0/10/61? I don’t know, but it seems as it’s not as competitive anymore. As such, we sub out scourge strike for obliterate which hits for more with 20%+ armor pen. To top it off, we have chill of the grave, which really buffs obliterate with more runic power gain and more death coil output. It’s strange, but I won’t put off the new obli spec just yet.

SJ, for 2H Unholy Oblit Build…do i need to gem for armor pen until i get the to armor pen cap? or would u recommend to gem everything to armor pen? just wondering…

Hi SJ – awesome work again fella!

One question, I am planning on using the DW Frost OB/Pest spec with 2 Angry Dreads. The question is, if I have FC on the main hand, would it not be better to have Beserking on the OH?

Cheers mate

@pwnisher — It’s ok man, sometimes we all take breaks, I will try and break it down for you.
Set-up Rotation
This is your first 6 rune uses. IT-PS-Pest-BS-OB. IT ans PS to get your Diesease up, then you use Pest(you use this now to refresh both to 20 sec this is IMPORTANT so that your diesease won’t drop off before you Pest again). At this point fire off a couple FS(Frost Strikes) as it is your main RP=Runic Power dump.
The second 6 runes is OB-OB-OB. Then FS again.
Now you first rotation is over and you get into the main rotation.(Note if for some reason you diesease drop-off return to this rotation).
Main Rotation
The first 6 runes are OB-Pest-BS-OB. This order is IMPORTANT and probably your main problem. You MUST use Pest on the first Blood Rune that comes up. This is very tight on time vs your dieseases dropping off. Then again FSs.
The next 6 runes are OB-OB-OB. Then FSs.
repeat.

So these are your two rotation you need to know to run this spec. There is a lot other things you will need to do to make this spec successful but, this is a start. Once you get this down you can start by adding other things. Remember, the jist of the spec is to get off as many OB are you can(using pest to renew giving you another OB in your rotation that has blood runes not death runes) and using the down time to fire off things like Rime procs.
Hope this was helpful.

My first post ever on any site…
Skeleton Jack…dear sir…truly incredible work here. Being the new class on the block is always an uphill climb. Thanks to your efforts, we have a chance at succeeding regardless of the constant medical experiments the scientists at Blizzard subject us to.

Your site is now the primary reference for me, and those I admin in our guild.

I switched to the frost DW yesterday. My DPS did drop slightly..probably due to lack of familiarity and improper gear. I have a blend of 7 and 7.5 tier, with 2 naxx one handers (Widows fury and hatestrike). This maintained a steady 3k dps in heroics. Buffs were simply dragonfin fillet and pally Might (HoW also..of course). Different weapons, and the new gear to come (as well as familiarity), should easily see this jump trough the roof.

…suffer well…
-M-

is BS that much weaker its not even worth using in a blood pve dps? and in the second rotation u have 4 HS i can only get off 3 or so
also
after i finish the first rotation i have like a 6 or 7 second cooldown on HS …. what should i use durring this time? anything i can?

SJ, I need some guidance. I know that you have addressed unholy dk’s in T7/7.5 gear, indicating that 17/0/54 is the way to go. However, i have a healthy mix of ilvl 219 gear (6 or 7 pcs) that put me at the 20% for armor pen. I have no T8 gear yet. Should i stay with the 17/0/54 build or would i get better dps using the unholy oblit build?

Thanks…i’ll give it a shot!!

With only 0/10/61 and 0/17/54 in mind, what we are missing through the transition is basically 3/3 Outbreak, 1/5 Necrosis, 1/1 scourge strike, and 2/2 iUP. The major downfall would be the 2/2 iUP since I’m a sucker for run speed, but you could always take 2 points out of desolation for it. Considering Outbreak only buffs your scourge strike and plague strike, it could really be negligible. Instead you gain 3/3 annihilation and 2/2 chill of the grave, which gives you 25 extra runic power every rotation (and a meager 3% crit on melee specials, meh). The 2 extra points spent to get CoTG is really neligible too. Yes, you shift talent points around, but what’s really being affected is runic power generation and your main strike. Like you said, how this balances out is up to question, but I have some suspicion that it’s… not that far off. Mentioning that obliterate will win out scourge strike even below 20% ArP isn’t just a random assumption, seems that the guys at elitist jerks have given it calculation with the extra RP and it might be true, it’s page 41 of their unholy dps thread.

These have not been posts to discredit your findings btw. You’ve done a great job and everyone appreciates it. I’ve just taken interest in the Unholy Obli build since I hate stacking ArP for blood and also dual wielding. I’m also not saying 0/17/54 is the winner, but it’s probably not a bad substitute for the 0/10/61 people out there… until they nerf obliterate and buff scourge strike.

Does anyone know which DPS spec is the least gear dependent?

Mucho love for SJ<3

0/17/54 is the winner actually, beating out the SS build. But only after you hit 20% Apen. Keep in mind my gear is pretty solid, but not BISI, and it already as like 13-14% Apen on it. Reaching the 20% mark won’t be hard to do without trying.

As to the best DPS build, not sure yet. Sims can only tell you so much. That’s part of the fun of Live!! Out the gate it’ll probably be Blood. Then as people improve on DW specs and gear, I think DW might take the lead or tie for it personally.

UB is a passive ability. There is no more using it.

I have given up on the site for now until Creep gets back to me. Basically everything is so beyond me at this point, and so messed up, that I refuse to possibly mess it up more myself because of ignorance. Hopefully within the next 24 hours she’ll have everyhing sorted out.

Unholy is the least gear dependent, while Blood/DW are the most gear dependent.

DW appears to scale better than any current spec, but Blood appears to have the talent edge. I think those 2 will be the lead runners. However, once Unholy peeps have enough gear to gear out “Unholy style”, but still have 20% APen as well, there is no telling what will happen then. The new OB Unholy build is promising to shake a lot of conceptions up.

Dear Mr. Skeletonjack or whoever can help me:

Here is my link to my armory http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Anvilmar&n=Dravok. With the gear I am currently in, can you please recommend a spec that would work the best?

Thanks for the reply SJ and hope you get some good rest.

And GOGO CREEP!

for 1h weapons …. how slow is slow? right now the ones im using are 2.6 and 2.5

Am I the only one having trouble finding slow one-handed weapons with strength?

The 2H Unholy SS Build – 0/10/61 -link comes up as 0/10/37 build….. I guess that’s not the final setup

We went in and did the first Tournament raid boss tonight and found them to be extremely simple and easy. The first fight for melee is a tank and spank, the second fight requires switching targets and getting rid of debuffs similar to the twins in Sunwell (not as crazy). The third just requires you to gtfo of Dodge.

First phase, a tank and spank, I managed to maintain 6.5k, which is a significant upgrade over what I’ve done in a single target fight. 22% of my damage came from DC, with 4.3k hits and 9k crits. 19% is from obliterate, with 4k hits and 7k crits. 18.8% is from melee. The diseases were also really really buffed, doing on average 1.2k ticks and stealing 8% total damage PER disease. This pretty much shows the DC spamfest with CoTG. I also happened to have a same-level geared blood DK with me (with a lot of armor pen so is well itemized). He managed to reach over 7k in burst but leveled at 6.2-6.4k. Conclusion? This spec could be very competitive afterall, and should do well over 7k in t9 itemization.

This was all done in t8.5 items, no 25 hard mode items but includes 10 hard mode items with 12% armor pen.

So if you simply have Deadly Gladiators PVP gear, which spec would be best?

I am going to provide a review of the Unholy tanking spec I tried last night.

It was 2H Unholy Tank – 10/5/56
[url]http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0050320000000000000000000000005000000000000000000000000002052300350030102033050203133151&glyph=220804060501&version=10192[/url]
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[b]Alright, first off the spec….[/b]
I found this on SkeletonJack.com and was interested to give it a shot. To be fair I made a few changes for synergy and nessesity.

The first change is that I have never had a problem with threat so I see no reason to have a gargoyl as a tank doing extra dps. That saved me one point.

I really like the idea of the improved Unholy Presence so I get run speed buff even in Frost Presence, especially in Uld. However, I have the shoe enchant and they stack so I decided to only grab one point there instead of two.

I also picked up Anti Magic Zone bubble thing because whether I am OT or MT I feel like I get great use out of the talent. As an OT I pop it when I see I can help the MT or keep some melee safer. As a MT its some more spell mitigation which is always nice.

I believe the last change was that I placed my remaining points into Improved Icy Touch. This is for two reasons, (1.) Most importantly I asked and no one in my raid team uses anything that will override the slowed attack speed. Things that would do that are like Thunderclap, some druid thing and some rogue thing. Thus I know it will remain up 100% of the time and also (2.) I never Plague Strike because in this spec you don’t have to so its nice to have Icy Touch hit a tiny bit harder.
—————————————————-[b]The Day 1 Review[/b]

1. The single target threat was suprisingly good, I consistantly ran either #1 or #2 in Threat among our tanks as sometimes our Pally was pulling 9k TPS which was freaking dumb.

However in AOE situations I could really feel the lack of the old Unholy Blight mechanic.

On the other hand I had more Runic Power than I knew what to do with and since Deathcoil now puts Unholy Blight on things as a 20% damage dot I would tab target and do that to all the mobs and it helped…even though is was a lot more work.

2. Other than the major change with the Deathcoil it felt solid enough. Last night is an okay judge but at the same time everyone’s UI was most likely messed up and no one could have possibly been on their game right after a patch like this.
—————————————————–[b]So How Does the Nerf Stick Feel??[/b]

Well I tell you what, okay I lost like 4% health which sucked a whole lot and ofcourse Ice Fort is now on 2Min cooldown which means I cannot just pop it whenever I feel like it anymore and in Uld it might mean tank switching here and there…

BUT the buff to parry was very noticable. I could tell a great deal that at my gear level, since I had not yet fully stacked Dodge (I’m just over 26% unbuffed), that the boost in parry came out as a buff for me. My Avoidance overall felt higher.

Does this mean I am less of an EH tank and more of a tank dependent on some RNG, sure I guess but really it just put DKs in a better line with the other tanking classes.

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If you have any comments or suggestions by all means please post.

Hello Jack!
First off here Thank you for the hard work and love your site.
Ok so i am wondering about hit cap on DK DW frost now i am at 9% hit 26exp. What should i really be at for DW frost? I have read all the link and it really isn’t clear where i guy should or shouldn’t go DW.
I have a good 2 hander and OS blood 2h build “yours”
But what i am really asking is with those stats should i put the DW away for now till i get closer to hit cap or am i safe to raid with DW frost over 2h blood?
Also is dw frost out dpsing blood 2h or no?
I am far from the guy that won’t change i want what is best for my raid if i am able to pull more with DW that is what i going to do if i should be staying blood so be it.
Last thing you should know is my 2h is better than my 1h but not by alot.

Thanks jack
burrchin

Hello SJ, nice to see your back at your best.

I’ve been doing some reading and I found some info on this “Vs Boss” damage (frost/unholy) spec which is certain to top meters.

[url]http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0000000000000000000000000000320053503120031123010330003002302303050032102000100000000000&glyph=000000000000&version=10026[/url]
*not sure if it work*

I wanted your opinion on this spec as it utilises perma-ghoul in which to increase single target dps at the sacrifice on practically no AOE.

Hello, can you make some AoE rotation for tanks? ^^

Hey guys. I am trying out the DW dps a lot, and I have to say it is a ton of fun, and great to be doing something totally different than I was before.
Quick question on the weapons. My main hand I am using razorscale talon which I think is a 2.5 or a 2.6 which is good bc it is slow.
On the offhand though I am using the sword from Iron Council 10 man which is like 1.6 speed so it is fast.
I guess my issue is, the fast weapon is like 163.2 dps on the tooltip, and I could find a slower weapon for like 140something dps tooltip, but higher max damage. Would I want something like that over the Ulduar 10 weapon just because it is slower?
Also could someone recommend a weapon from Ulduar 10 or higher that I could be looking for in addition to razorscale talon?
Thanks a lot!

Hi SJ nice work here…
Have some questions for u or anyone who test DW frost spec…
I notice that Unholy presence kick out Blood presence in some instances(@ least my recount show me that stat) and also I use F/F weapon instead of S/S have no more than 1 sec drop of RP or RA if I notice some 2-3sec drop blood tap or Empower Rune Weapon back me ingame. Here is link of my armory( I know it is sucky ^^): http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Xavius&n=Kosmar
I know that much depenency is in items that ppl use but still don`t get point of benefits S/S weapons instead of F/F weapons.
Today I go training ground to test BP and UP on dummy( boss and regular), we will se what recount can say.

YO Jack..wassup
dude first off u da man =) ive used ur site for everything since the day i started my dk. But dude 3.2 is out and now im a lil confused for the pvp aspect, get them specs out man so i can step into arena and earn my glory =)
thank in advance

Short question. Why Dancing Rune Weapon and not Unholy Blight? Probably seems like a stupid question but i never saw much add from DRW

Hey Gravity, I’m reading your post on DK.info and some of your logic seems to be off in regards to DW tanking… number one, Frost strike can now be dodged, parried, and blocked

” – because you are attacking faster, you get to use a higher proportion of your rune strike opportunities than a 2Her tank. A 2H speed of 3.4 makes it possible for you to dodge a boss’ attack twice within that window, but because RS works on next melee swing, you will only get to use one of those two opportunities. In constrast, a DW tank will get to use more of their RS opportunities with their 2.5 attack speed.”

I’ve never seen a situation where I get more than maybe two Rune Strikes in a row, and I’m very well geared so you won’t be using mostly Rune Strike at all. And also when Rune Strike is queued I’m pretty sure the second dodge will allow you to use another one.

“A DW tank with 21+ expertise will only see a tiny bit more incoming parry damage than a 2H tank.”
As a tank your job is to reduce the damage coming to you as much as possible, why would you willingly increase it at great risk?

And moving from the factual to circumstantial, DW tanking from what I’ve seen is just not even close to 2h tanking. Freeing up 25 pure defense that you don’t have to gem/chant for and 2% stamina is wonderful, and since hit rating is fairly low on alot of the tanking gear out there your TPS as a DW tank would be terrible at best.

And to SJ, can you show any numbers that show Bloodworms eating AOE healing? I’ve NEVER seen them cause ANY healer grief in a raid, usually if they take any damage it one shots them so I dont understand what AOE-heal they could “eat”.

Can some of you guys read my post (#113) above here and see if ya’ll get the same results i did? I am trying to find a good reason everyone says to use blood presence with my blood spec, while I blow blood pres dps out of the water when i use unholy presence with my blood spec.

To Galeron: DRW is way better dps than unholy blight, i’m guessing you have 50 points into blood and trying 21 into unholy for UB. DRW is not something you want to give up if you are blood spec. that is 17 seconds of 50% extra dmg. And when you have 2 or more targets, ur dps is crazy. Pop your trinkets and hysteria before you hit DRW, so that your DRW gets those buffs also. Whatever buffs you have active when you pop ur DRW, it gets those buffs too. If you time it right, u can get all death/blood runes and get 6-8 heart strikes in a row, and doing that with DRW out is amazing.

@Cotopaxi, it’s a big debate mate, as you no doubt know, which has been done to death on tankspot (that’s the best maths analysis on parry-haste), so let’s not get into it here. Suffice to say, your counterpoints have been handled in those threads and the risk you take is very marginal. Here’s one thread http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f14/42619-dual-wielding-dks-demystifying-myth-6.html#post147743

Personally, I wouldn’t DW tank anyhow because of the Stoneskin runeforge.

Re Rune Strike: you cannot queue them. If you have one proc, you need to use it before the next can be activated, which is gated by your melee swing speed.

For the Unholy 2H SS build, I put two points in Subversion instead of Improved Unholy Presence. I’m obviously not using Unholy Presence, and the run speed increase seems worthless to me, so I’d rather buff BS crit chance and more importantly, reduce my chance to overpower the tank’s threat. Much better choice, imo.

Actually the only available talents I wouldn’t pick over IUP are NoCS, Icy Reach, Unholy Command and Desecration.

I think the third point of Morbidity would amplify the new Unholy Blight too, wouldn’t it?

in the 2H Blood Build – 51/0/20, what the RP stands for? sorry im new to WOW, just looking to get a good DPS

SJ,

I have followed your website for some time, and really appreciate all the work you put in! prior to 3.2 I was using the 50/0/21 UB Build for my Blood DPS spec, it seemed to work very well for me. I do have one question though. Your rotation then (and now) shows on the 2nd half, that you fire off 4 HS. When i am running in 25man, I sometimes can fit in 5, or often even 6 HS in before my diseases tick off and then dump my RP. Occasionally though, my RP will max out before the last 1 or 2 hit, and I feel like I am wasting that possible half DC for the next rotation. Am I better off to only do 4 HS, and continue with an RP dump afterward, even if I have 3-4 seconds left up on my diseases? I think the spell haste is what lets me get the extra strikes in, as my IT and DCs fire off very quickly.

Thanks!

also, about the dw frost dps, i know that your looking for primarily slow weapons but what stats? because all single handed weapon is stam/agil based.

(2h frost DPS, that is)

Hey SJ, I don’t know if you realized this now, but if you go back to WoWhead for a ptr and use their calculator and then they switch over to live you can just edit the url and replace the ptr. at the beginning with www. and still have the talent set ups.

For example

http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent#jfcrZMhezArcofucuzAoc:kaNMVm

goes to

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfcrZMhezArcofucuzAoc:kaNMVm

Hey Jack, thank you for the incredible work, you help alot of us death knight. i have tried some diffrent things with the new talents and specs and found the spec that i do most damagde, im a blood death knight always been using 51/0/20 spec, but today i tried going 50/0/21 to get the new unholy blight and that actually inproved my dps with 3-4 hundred you should try it.. would love to see what you think, and remember replace rune sword glyph with unholy blight glyph

Moek – frostmane

What is RP???

Yeah im a DW Frost tank, expertise caped and i get parried just as much as any other tank and my threat is just fine. Since im not a MT in my guild shouldnt really matter anyways.

what is RP

Jack Im a bit confused about a fewskill pints in the above posted 0/10/61 Unholy spec.
Wouldnt the three points used in improved unholy prez. & boneshield be better used elsewhere to gain some DPS? I really dont understand putting poins in Improved unholy prez. if the spec calls for blood prez. Am I missing something? Im trying to get the most I can out of my Dk and Im doing ok but am always open to learning something. Just wondering?

lol i went from doing 1500k dps to 1000k dps from haveing a good talent spec ill try somthing else

SJ,

Thanks for the fine web site, which I’ll be using later tonight to fine tune my DK. Incidentally my DK is DW/FROST for raiding and with OK gear (some T7.5, some 245 pvp gear, etc) I was able to single pull 3300 DPS on a single target. On multi targets, well over 5k.

My concern is that my rotation sucks. I noticed the other DW/FROST DK was pulling consistently 4.5-7k DPS. When I checked recount I noticed that she was using obliterate a lot. Probably generating more death runes than me. She has slightly better gear so I know it’s my rotation. I need to check her spec and see what’s different. I am blood/frost spec (17/54 I think). She may be FR/UH spec for all I know.

Right now I am PVPing as UH but may try FROST to see how it works out. I have 232 and 226 level weapons (Maces) and I see a lot of white damage.

Kynn

PS: Please update the PVP specs/info

SJ:
I do believe that over all the best dps spec is the frost/ blood spec. The 0/53/18 has a limited strike return during the 2sr rule. Allowing cool downs to generate auto-attacks the dps rate under the unholy spec does not boed well for the strength increase that you get from the blood talent. Your thoughts??

Have seen some well geared DK’s going back to the 16/0/55 or 17/0/54 unholy build and doing monster damage. This seems to only work for very well geared DK’s. Have you looked at this at all? If you look at wowmeteronline all the top DK’s seem to be back to unholy now using some variant of this spec.