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Might I also suggest a non AoE Blood build… seeing as how HS now hits two targets it’s a bit better than when I was leveling Blood. As Blood I was able to take on 3 and sometimes even 5 man group quests. If you was to maximize Rune Tap and go for a deeper Blood build, you really don’t need to try to get AoE talents because you have the capacity to burn down mobs two at a time using a IT>PS>Pest>DnD rotation first, then IT>PS>Pest>HS>BS. After that keep your diseases up and HS. For taking on an elite mob, just keep diseases up and HS/BS and Rune Tap/Vamp. Blood as needed. Then again, when I was leveling mine up, IBF did a 50% damage reduction so it might not be too wise to try and take on Durn the Hungerer.
http://thottbot.com/death_knight/t#eMKfYDhP1/bEw/e
In no way am I suggesting to take this, its just something that I thought would be good for leveling at 70. It’s designed to take on elite mobs and small pulls like 5 or 6. Blood is definitely recommended for leveling. No down time, solo group quests, and if you want to get somewhere faster, just use Unholy Presence. In my honest opinion, its a waste of points to spec into OaPH after 70. Not saying Geist is wrong, I just haven’t found it very useful after 70, nor have I found a mob that stuns.
By the way, nice post Geist. Keep it up. Please don’t hurt me for posting my opinion.
hey guys , i’ve respecced my dk about 25 times now and think i have finally found a build that will make me happy dps wise i like to call it the omg he raped me build its points are 2 butchery, 3 subversion, 5 bladed armor, 2 2h specialization, 5 dark conviction, 3 vendetta, 3 bloody strikes, 3 veteran of the third war, 3 bloody vengeance, 2 abominations might, 2 blood aura
FROST
3 improved icy touch, 2 glacier rot, 5 toughness, 5 black ice, 5 icy talons, 1 lichborne, 3 annihilation, 5 killing machine, 1 deathchill, 1 improved icy talons, 3 rime, 1 howling blast, 2 frost aura, and 1 unbreakable armor
i feel this is a great survival and major 2h dps build that will rock the dps meters. i am currently trying it out and love it thus far. i hope to hear your comments on it.
this is my build that i described before
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/deathknight/talents.html?tal=2305020500033303200200000003250505130500110301200100000000000000000000000000000000000
new build thanks to help from aarchon with new os button
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/deathknight/talents.html?tal=2305021502003303200200000003250505130500110301200100000000000000000000000000000000000
I levelled to 80 as blood, and ill be staying blood…Mind you Im starting arena soon, and id like to do that as blood.
I love blood spec and blood I will stay!!!!
The dps and survivability is just to good to make me wanna change any time soon.
once 3.1 is out and we have dual spec, I will like make an unhgoly spec as well…just to play with.
I love Blood aswell but for PvP.. Frost is my baby! =P I go most frost for the magic resist and FS damage for those pesky Pally’s and some blood for self healing.. Also I have a 2v2 with a rogue so I need the healing and extra health and armor. =)
i actually leveled from 58 to 80 with blood.. soloing every group quest out there, not ring of blood or ampitheater of anguish though
but anyway i LOVED blood for leveling my toon
but i was actually FULL blood, with 5 in frost and 5 in unholy for the extra armor and dodge rating
Maybe I’m mistaken Aarchon but I’m pretty sure Unholy presence (And Aura for that matter) Do NOT affect mounted speed.
Since you spend a considerable amount of time just mounted running from hub to hub, OaPH seems pretty reasonable to me in a leveling build.
Still dude, 20% speed over damage increasing talents? We all know this a leveling build right? You’re not racing to turn in the quest, you’re spending more time grinding mobs for the desired number of an item or mobs. Okay… get quest, ride maybe 1.5 min at most, grind for 5+ min, ride back.
As with most ppl that have posted already, I too leveled from 58 to 80 as Blood. Soloing all group quests and elites. I carried absolutly no food had bandages just incase but hardly ever used any. IMO Imp Rune tap / DS / Worms kept me almost at full health the entire 22 levels.
Leveling AoE is great, but to me the down time of eating was just not worth it. As blood I would pest if I had more then two mobs just to bring down there health and blow through my target like they were paper.
Great Post G. Great post!!
Why did the majority of the first DK’s to 80 all spec Unholy Aarchon? Your response is the typical uninformed one, when someone doesn’t take the time to think about how little some of the dps talents change anything for leveling purposes. It’s not like you’re in epics and a 10% margin could impact 500dps+. You’re in crap gear, with crap stats, and you’re losing minimal damage. And CE is so stupidly OP for leveling when combined with Butchery that dps is basically the same across the board due to the same ability to “seal the deal” as it were. Grinding mobs? Hardly. I’ve never seen any DK sit there and have to grind and grind and grind. We’re DK’s…
@ Geistig~ Thanks for showing blood leveling some loving! While, I butt headswith you on unholy levleing before, I agree that OaPH is great for speeding the entire process up. I am happy the info is out here on blood leveling, because mostly, it is an easier spec to level (IMO) for those that don’t comprehend the unholy style of play and whatnot. I leveled as blood, have played as a 25man tank, and DPS in all specs and tree’s. I am now a blood tank and really love that tree. Anyway’s great work, keep it up!
I never leveled as blood back when I was a young DK (Unholy blew my mind) so I don’t have much experience leveling as blood. That being said I was wondering what you thought of this build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMqc0IcfotzAoZfM0hxdo
Basically I took your build and modified it some. I took out the Anticipation and Blade Barrier points (I follow the motto “The best defense is a good offense) to put into more offensive abilities such as Ravenous Dead and Bladed Armor. While defensive abilities are always nice, the faster you kill things the less damage you take as well (and I love seeing things drop fast). Also I skipped Frost entirely since Obliterate isn’t that spectacular anyways until you get great gear and a great weapon, so I would just use it as an end of disease move. With saving points from frost you can toss a lot more into Blood and reach Might of Mograine for some sweet Death Strike crits. Also I think Imp Rune Tap is infinitely better than Vendetta because you can use it at your leisure. And Dancing Rune Weapon is always a nice touch for taking on elites. The main form of AoE in this build would be the cleave from Heart Strike, and use Death Strike a lot to keep health up. Like I said though, never leveled as blood so yours might be better for leveling *shrug*.
well i am with SJ, although i did level my Dk blood, i respec to unholy, then frost, then blood, then..etc etc. but in the end i kept coming back to unholy. i know this may be sad but i miss those little bones circling me, making me feel safe. everytime i change over to tank or pvp, i feel empty. lol.
Heh, you guys are awesome! SJ has more of a forum than blog sometimes!
Honestly, one of the things I love the most about Death Knights is their flexibility. You don’t HAVE to use any one tree to DPS, to level, or to tank. I cut my teeth in WoW as a Shadow Priest. After spending all that time leveling shadow, I was stoked to see the changes that let s-Priests hit end game. There for a while Shadow was ONLY for leveling.
So yeah, while I know that not everyone sees things the same way I do, with Death Knights, it’s to be expected. The talent trees are revolutionary just in that you can choose from any one and do OK. Really, I think that’s one of the strongest parts of playing a Death Knight is that personal preference is an option.
Ok, not on everything, but on quite a bit.
~Geist
I meant grind for a quest as in “go kill those dudes and get the thing they sometimes drop”. I was suggesting that you spend more time doing the quest rather than riding to your quest’s destination. You could have 4 quests in one area and not have to mount for 15 minutes. The Death Knight is a class that can grasp whatever play-style you’re looking to achieve. I stated my opinion with a little logic mixed in. I was saying that you spend more time unmounted while leveling. That is my play-style. I leveled up Blood from 58-80 and I never saw a use for OaPH until I started to PvP.
And to Geist, the flexibility is precisely what confuses me because I am used to tri-hybrid classes like Druids, Paladins and Shamans. I’m used to being able to pick one spec for melee DPS roles. It’s very confusing to have 5 different specs to choose from.
Yeah it’s pretty confusing, don’t get me wrong. But coming from someone who’s specced them all, I’d say try out the different specs and just see which one fits your play style best. For whatever reason.
Even with the choices, you’re still going to want to look for the traditional balance of dps and survival. Using some of the tanking talents helps keep you alive and using DPS talents help you kill faster. In just the right mix they’ll keep you alive while you’re killing off whatever you need to complete quests and level up. It’s just not as cut and dried as the old staple one tree for each type of game play.
It really is one of the aspects of being a Death Knight that sets them apart from any other class in WoW.
I’ve specced all of them and my favorite is Frost two-hander. It seemed the funnest to me, I just didn’t have the gear to make any of the specs work.
Just a suggestion.
Listing the specific talent points you take at each level may be more useful for levelling DKs than just showing the talent point distribution when you hit 80.
Suggestion on your AOE rotation. PS before IT if you have Glacier Rot (moot after 3.1)
PS-IT-Pest-DnD – Runetap- BB — loot
Why PS before you IT? You do realize that if you are pulling properly the mob will not be in melee range, meaning you’ll have to wait to attack by using PS first? Whereas if you used IT, which is ranged, it could have been hit before it ever gets within melee range.
And as to listing per level…sometimes you guys have to think on your own. You’ve got the spec when you walk out of the door to go live on your own (58). You’ve got the spec that gets you from there directly to HS (which is the number one priority). And then from there you can pick points as you choose until you get to 80.
@Madcow
Please tell me you only PS before IT on Boss encounters, and who runetap’s so they can use Blood Boil? Your spec’d into heart strike wich produces HUGE numbers as compared to a ugly little BB.
Yeah, I agree with SJ, use your imagination. You don’t need a walkthrough.
Runetap was to immediately refresh a rune CD already spent (gone now with 3.1 sadly)
Following rotations would be HS spam yes, but HS against 2 targets = good
BB on 5+ diseased AOE level grinding pulls = amazing.
SJ I thought the reference to Glacier rot made it pretty clear, but yeah, DG PS IT with glacier rot was for the 20% dmg bonus since you now have a disease up —> and yeah, pulling packs for AOE I liked this rotation because the mob I yank to start combat only has enough health to hang on for me to Pest to all his buddies running now before he drops.
I was looking at the unholy build, and the blood build, both were published before the 3.1 patch. The unholy build mentions skipping the gargoyle but it has it on it (as the final talent in the tree). Is this the best path for the blood?
I think best build is http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMqccIsboc0oZGMx0hZfM0hx Can you tell me why not?
I would guess your build would be a little off cause you don’t get On a Pale Horse. I think it is pretty obvious that there are a TON of fedex style quests at every level, so to not have something to increase your efficiency in doing those quests would definitely slow you down to some extent. That said, if you goal isn’t to speed to 80 as fast as humanly possible then it wouldn’t really matter that much. Though also you are missing Blood Worms which are theoretically nice to have while leveling blood for their healing.
Anyways I would also point out what a couple other people pointed out, the link now takes us to a 38/13/17 build, curious where the last three points go for the 41 in blood? I have only ever leveled as Unholy and tanked as either Unholy or Frost (not sure why I haven’t tried Blood). But a friend of mine started a character on another server so I thought this would be the perfect time to try out Blood to level with as well as tank while leveling. Anyways if anyone could answer or SJ if you have the time (I know you just posted about taking a short break) I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance guys and gals.


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