Heya guys!!  So today, I’ve got tons of stuff to throw into this post.  The downside is that it won’t be a perfect breakdown on talent trees, rotations, etc…  But it will have TONS of good stuff for you about some of the new tricks out there.  But first, today was awesome!!

I walk into work about 1-2 minutes late.  I’m tired, worn out, and I just don’t want to be there.  I walk to the front to figure out what is going on for the day and my boss says, “Who wants to go home?”  No hesitation, it was like mental instinct and reflexes kicked in as I instantly shouted out, “ME!!!  ME!!!”  One of my co-workers followed up about 5 seconds later with a, “Wait.  I wanna go.”

I stuck with the first come, first served policy and insisted I should get to go because I said something first.  He was asking me to flip for it.  Which, while laughing, I said no way in hell.  He then offers to Rock, Paper, Scissors for it.  Laughing harder I said, “WTF would I wanna do that?  That doesn’t help me get out of here at all!!”  ROFL.  10 seconds later (the boss was on the phone) my boss waves me to go.  I shit you not, I RAN out of that place so fast!!  No way in hell I was gonna walk and give someone a chance to call my ass back.  /SPRINT  :D

Talk about an early Christmas.  Man.  I cannot think of even one time I was asked whether or not I wanted to go home from work before.  /WIN  I’m not really sure why we didn’t need someone today.  Over staffed maybe…  But I sure as hell was NOT gonna stick around and ask questions in case it made them change their mind.  Know what I’m saying?!?!  :)

I came home, took a good long nap.  Went to store, came home, cooked, cleaned, and watched some Burn Notice!!  OMFG today was an AWESOME DAY!!!  :D

LOL, so enough of my wonderful day!!  Let’s get into some of that good old fashioned Death Knight loving from me that you guys have missed so much eh?! :)

 

BLOOD Disease-less Spec

You’ve heard me refer to Batmack a few times now.  The main reason is that he is a DK in my guild, and one of the best players in game I’ve ever met.  Now I won’t go to him for theorycrafting or other info always, but when it comes to pure talent at playing this game, he’s one of the best around hands down.  He can tell you how to murder something.  ;)

 

Here is the WWS link as well, but this should only last about 2 weeks since it is not on a paid account:  WWS Report.

Now the interesting points here are as follows:

  • Recount does not track Army of the Dead for anyone but the player himself.  So while my Recount will track my AotD, it will not track and display Mack’s AotD.
  • AotD *does* count as part of your DPS.  Moron’s who say it doesn’t are the same idiots originally saying that hunter pets shouldn’t count as part of their damage.  Like I said, morons.
  • WWS does not properly track AotD, so the WWS report is not 100% accurate as well.
  • Yes, this is a disease-less rotation.  He did not use IT or PS once.
  • In game he did 6800 actual DPS with everything added in.  Yeah, 6800 DPS.  It was not a typo.
  • He wasn’t even going to spec Blood.  Our Enhancement Shaman was missing so he went Blood and I went Frost for raid buffs.  LOL.

51/0/20

The spec is straight forward.  I’m not going to break down why you make the decisions here that you do, or how to alternate the points up.  But basically this is your big bad boy here.  We’ll go into talent choices and more in another post dedicated to Blood. 

Rotation

Now I’ve seen some variants on this one, but honestly I’ve not seen one rotation out there outperform the simplistic and useful one that Mack used.

OB -> HS -> OB -> HS -> DC -> DC

That’s it.  You can honestly do the attacks in any order, so long as you are using the Rune CD’s immediately.  The rotation is very tight, leaving only 1 second for mistakes.  So you have to be on the ball and you need to Expertise cap.  But outside of Rune management, it’s straight forward.  You don’t have to try to work in Sudden Doom procs, you don’t have to manage diseases, you don’t have to do awkward rotations that change depending on the cycle, etc…  I’m honestly considering trying out Blood for the first time in my life.

 

FROST Spec

So I’ve always been a fan of Frost oriented themes in in the Sci-Fi/Fantasy world.  It’s pretty f’ing cool in my book.  In fact when I first played in the Beta I rolled out as a Frost Knight to test it out.  But sadly it was pretty suck when I got in.  And it has been for the most part since until recently.  So I finally went back to test it out.

Now, let me start of by saying this upfront.  No matter how good you are, I do not recommend ever picking a brand new spec and rotation one hour before a raid.  >.<  OMFG it was awkward and painful as hell.  I should have run a good couple of 5 mans first to get the hang of it.  Ah well…

So lets just skip past all of the details and get into the pics…  They tell a story.  If you look at BOTH of them, in order, then you should realize what I did before you even get to the next section of text…

 

 

And the second pic…

 

Sigh…

So points of interest:

  • If you didn’t notice, I forgot to train.  Yes, I am THAT much of a hardcore Unholy DK that I’ve never trained Frost or Blood Live.  I’ve done all of my testing with those specs on PTR only.
  • Frost Strike, untrained, was still the highest % of my total damage done.  That makes me really wonder how much more it would have done had it been trained.
  • I did not use HB once, even if I had a Rime (on Patchy).  I was having a rough time.  Deal.  I was new to this.  :P
  • I did this in Blood Presence, not Unholy Presence.  I do not know if that was the right call.
  • I changed up my rotation half way through the run.  I was originally in Unholy Presence and using the 6xIT Rotation.  And another one even before that.  I have no idea what was the best.  I’d really need to play them all for a while to figure it out.
  • Death Runes are the only way to make Frost rotations work since they do not use PS ever.  It makes things awkward.
  • HB on a 5 second cooldown has not helped this spec at all.  It still makes Frost stupidly clunky and not fun imho.

21/50/0

The spec is the backbone of any 2H Frost spec, and can be used for the 6xIT Rotation or for a more standard Rotation as well.  You can tweak it around some, but like I said before about the Blood one.  We’ll cover that all more in depth in a post especially for Frost.

Rotation

On Patchwerk I used:

IT -> BS – > OB -> OB -> FSx3

That rotation is not necessarily perfect.  If you’re wondering how it works you pop Blood Tap at the beginning of the fight for the starting Death Rune to make it work.

Alternative Rotation 1:

IT -> BS -> IT -> IT -> OB

BS -> IT -> OB -> IT -> IT

This uses Unholy Presence.

You work in FS on any Killing Machine proc (sometimes pushing back a Rune).  If you will go over 100 RP, and you have Runes ready you immediately fire off a FS whether you have a KM proc up or not.  This rotation is a PITA.  You mess it up once, and it borks you up bad.  I highly recommend DRM for it becuase it gives you a lot more wiggle room if you do mess something up.

Alternative Rotation 2:

IT -> BS -> OB -> OB

ITx6

This uses Unholy Presence, and you have to pay attention and try to use as many FS’s on the KM procs as possible.  There’s another iteration that basically is like AR1 but has another IT in it.  The permutations are rather extensive really.  But the point of those is to break up the IT’s to give you more time to react to use FS without wasting a KM proc on an IT.

 

DW Testing

So I finally got some pimptastic 1H’s!!! :D

I spent some time training the skills up too.  Not one 1H skill above 270, lol.  So I’ve got Swords and Axes to 395 each now, and I’ll probably skill them up the rest of the way in an instance or something so that I don’t have to put that much effort into it.  Skilling up weapon skills is boring…

But the upside is that I will now be finally testing out some DW builds myself and seeing how they do!!!  ;)   More incoming, but don’t expect to see me in a raid as DW for at least 1-2 weeks.

 

Achievements!!

We FINALLY picked up Heroic: Shocking!

But of course the 3 Drake Sartharion Achievement eludes me still.  Not because I suck.  Not because we can’t do it.  But because I always seem to oversleep, have to go out, or don’t log in when we do it!!!  Damnit I’ve missed like the last 4 times now.  Hell my guild one shotted it one time, and did it in just 3 tries this week.  Grrrr!!!

And don’t even get me started on The Immortal.  OMFG.  We actually did it.  We made it to Saph without one death.  But then one of our guys dc’d after the Ready check.  He got killed by the Blizzard before anyone realized he was dc’d in the back alone.  No one died the entire raid, even after that happened.  Not one death.  Except for a lousy dc that happened right at the end.  How lame is that?!!?  /sigh

 

BLUE POSTS ZOMG!!!

If you follow MMO Champion or World of Raids at all you may have seen some of the supposed incoming changes to Death Knights in 3.1 release.  Here is a reprint in case you do not.

  • Gargoyle and Unholy Blight have swapped talent positions. Gargoyle?s damage has increased and runic power cost per time has decreased.
  • Pestilence ? this spell no longer causes damage but just spreads diseases. Blood Boil is intended to be the general area attack, and has been changed to be castable on targets with no diseases on them, but does extra damage if diseases are present.
  • Unbreakable Armor now absorbs a flat amount of damage that increases as your armor increases. It no longer boosts armor.
  • The Frost tree has been shuffled. Among other things, PvP talents such as Endless Winter are closer to the top of the tree where Blood and Unholy death knights can access them.
  • Sudden Doom ? this talent now procs a Death Coil rather than requiring an additional button click. It works similarly to shamans? Lightning Overload.
  • Magic Suppression and Blood of the North have been reduced to 3 ranks for the same benefit.
  • Blood Gorged now grants armor penetration instead of expertise.

As I said in my previous post do NOT expect these changes to be what you think they will.  For example Lightning Overload procs 1/2 damage Lightning Bolts.  So Sudden Doom might do the same.  1/2 damage DC’s.  Expect the restructuring of the Frost tree to impinge on DW builds making HB and KM more difficult to attain.  See where I’m going with this?

The interesting thing to note is whether or not Blizz has taken notice of the disease-less Blood spec, and how useful it is.  Or even the fact that the best Frost specs never even use Plague Strike, aka Blood Plague.  Whether or not they address these issues since disease use/management is supposed to be CORE to a DK will be entertaining to me to say the least.

As will their poor attempts, yet again, at class balance.  Ah well.  I’ll be filling you guys in as more develops.

 

PTR

Something intersting for you guys though is that I have made arrangements with my guild master now for the 3.1 PTR deployment.  From everything I’ve read the PTR will only release bosses on a limited basis like they did in Sunwell.  So some bosses will never be accessible ever until Live.  Others may be up only for 1-2 nights top for testing, and then go the way of the Dodo until release.

So Rage has given the go ahead for cancelling any and all Live SK Raids after 3.1 is released to PTR so we can explore some of the boss content in testing phase.  I’m not sure how much we will get a chance to see, but hopefully if all goes well I will be giving you guys some very early release info on the Uludar bosses and content!!

 

Power Leveling

I’m helping out a friend who has decided to take a gamble and try out my server.  I’m going to be helping power level her some as my DK.  So I will also have some information coming out to you guys soon about tricks of the trade for pl’ing up friends through old world instances, etc…  We should be starting this weekend, so more to come soon!!

 

I’m done.

This post was Epic.  I’m taking my kitten Shadow over to Mythra’s house so she can rebond with her momma cat, and we’re gonna chill or something…  I’m not really sure what the hell we’re doing…  I need to grab a movie.  Peace Out!!

-Suffer Well Brothers and Sisters.

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32 comments so far

Kaylan
 1 

Sweet post ^^

February 6th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Rädos
 2 

Wondering there, wouldn’t it be better for batmack to spec death rune mastery rather then rune tap ? In my eyes it just seem like some pvp tab skill

February 6th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Runemaster
 3 

Theres just one thing that bothers me with all this. You mention 6800dps with disease-less blood spec, but even this dps and tons of other results are tied to pathcwerk, a single nax boss.

Guildie said that he saw 8500 broken on patch by a dk and as far as blizzard has pushed dk dps, i wouldnt dismiss it easily.

However, this still brings us to the original problem. Bosses like patchwerk arent a realistic dps meter for raiding and id much rather see overall damage for entire nax, than patchwerk dps, since patch is pretty much an e-peen boss and one of a kind – stand in the same spot and burn your cds.

Good work jack, but tbh, id also really like to see something along the lines of best aoe spec, best ST spec, best hybrid. Cause im betting either frost or unholy can beat disease-less blood spec in heavy aoe situations, which only means that 6800 is meant for one particular encounter and not the general ability of the spec.

February 6th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
unwerthy
 4 

ok dont no where to post this so soz about that just need some advice about 33/38 dw spec im on 497 hit and wondering am i better off droping to spell hit cap and stacking more str or keep stacking hit here is my armory link please help me read to many things and i am confused as hell http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Jubei%27Thos&n=Unwerthy

February 7th, 2009 at 3:56 am
Castratikron
 5 

While I can agree with Runemaster that Patch isn’t the end all be all fight, SJ did post the WWS report and overall for the whole raid Batmack was #1.

Also even in fights with alot of movment I can see this spec being higher than other dieased based specs. Just becuase the rotation is so easy its almost impossible to mess it up, aswell as compared to a Unholy DPS build you do not have to reapply your dieases so your SS isn’t gimped if your away from the boss for a length of time, also putting your deisease on in the middle of a rotation can throw it off, and starting the rotation from scratch would be DPS loss too.

As far as posting the Best AoE spec. It’s fairly pointless. Blizz has said trash in Uladar will be less zerg and more control. Not to mention there is 2 maybe 3 boss fights where AoE is useful right now, if that many. All an AoE spec would really be used for is E-Peen rating on trash, and really who cares about trash.

February 7th, 2009 at 4:00 am
Iampuff
 6 

RM-

Who honestly cares about your DPS on trash? Its trash man.

Also you can diseaseless AOE . hs hs oblit oblit hs hs hs hs hs hs. HS cleaves. There are other ways to do it with this same spec, i threw that out there since thats a really simple rotation. be creative.

February 7th, 2009 at 4:21 am
Iampuff
 7 

And if now i read the first comment and see he doesnt have death rune mastery.

I couldnt check the spec and assumed……… made an ASS out of ME, but not U

February 7th, 2009 at 4:24 am
Eurenius
 8 

Why do you keep glyph of IT and BS on the disease less blood specc? both seems completley worthless imo

February 7th, 2009 at 4:35 am
Runemaster
 9 

Tried this blood spec and its pretty cool. And yeah st and aoe is basicly the same rotation, but using death runes for hs. Do wish there was a glyph for hs though, maybe like to hit additional target or some other effect.

February 7th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Resplease
 10 

As ever an interesting post SJ.
I think it’s worth pointing out a few things about the 51/0/20 spec though.
Mainly this is due to the continuing confusing way in which Recount and WWS track DK damage. WWS normally includes AoD damage but doesn’t assign it to a player, but in your link the Patchwerk damage in breakdown is missing.
Also, Hysteria is a bit of a pain, as it shows up as damage out, despite it being on a friendly target. In your raid, and in a vast majority of raids, a DK can’t use Hysteria on himself because a warrior will simply get more damage from it (100% physical damage plus powerful cooldowns), so it can’t be the mega dps build.

February 7th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Prayers
 11 

Just a little question.. if this spec is a disease-less spec why then use a glyph of icy touch when u wont apply it?? Wouldent it be better with a glyph of the ghoul?

Some might say this question is stupid, but rember its just a question..

February 7th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Nagz
 12 

Afaik they havent “fixed” Glyph of Bloodstrike yet so thats +20% dmg on snared targets

February 7th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Nagz
 13 

to clarify my post :

Glyph of Blood Strike works for Heart Strike too :D

February 7th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Ozius
 14 

jack could you tell us what you think is the best, what ur set up is? I was wodnering if you like 2h or if you like dw. wondering what most high end DK dpsers use. also is the 0/31/39 still the best raiding spec? seems like everything changes every couple of days.

February 7th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Ozius
 15 

i also agree with runemaster, one boss means nothing to me, he is simple, and i could care less if i get 7k dps on him. but what i am concerned with is getting 4-5k dps during the entire run, have you done testing with that?

February 7th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Dhaos
 16 

What Glyphs was batmack using? im guessing obliterate was one

February 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Rye
 17 

Great post SJ!

I do have a couple questions however..

1. I notice if I armory Batmack and also look at the spec you posted, there are a couple points different. Currently he has Rune Tap and not Death Rune Mastery, where as you have linked to the opposite. I’m just assuming maybe he took Rune Tap to play around with for PvP and used DRM for raiding.

2. Im curious what rotation Batmack uses while AoE’ing trash. I see that he does use Death and Decay from that WWS report, but it doesn’t account for much of his damage. I thought maybe he used it only in emergency tanking situations or something similar.

I really want to give this Disease-less spec a try, I’m just afraid I’m going to like it alot and then Blizz will nerf it to death, since they have made it clear they want DK’s using diseases and managing them and whatnot.

February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Rye
 18 

Oh forgot to add, in the link you posted for Batmack’s build, what is the point in Icy Touch Glyph?

He never uses it, so that seems like a total waste of a Glyph slot, granted there isn’t a ton of better Glyphs out there, but several that would at least help more than Icy Touch Glyph.

February 7th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Rye
 19 

I don’t see a way to edit comments, so I have yet another thing to add :p

I don’t see any reason for 2 points in Vicious Strikes. You never use Plague Strike, you don’t even have Scourge Strike, and Death Strike only heals if you have diseases up, which you shouldn’t be using in this spec.

I think you would gain more benefit with 2 points in Anticipation (2% Dodge) seeing as how that would help if you did pull aggro, and would be a nice bonus for PvP as well.

Just throwing my 2 cents out there with these posts, I think with some fine tuning this spec could be even better than what Batmack did in his raid, which was very impressive!

February 7th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Iampuff
 20 

Ozious, if you poke around jack has revealed all that information in one form or another.

Rye: It was probably an oversight in making the spec on the calculator for the icy touch. Diseases still work in this spec. He could drop down disease then deathstrike for heals if needed. Who cares about the dodge for a raid? He shouldnt have aggro much anyway.

February 7th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Iampuff
 21 

Also SJ, rank 5 FS is double the dmg of rank 1.

Hmmmmmm.

February 7th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Prayfordeath
 22 

The numbers don’t lie but I won’t lie either in saying I’m confused on how he did so amazing in overall dmg. I like Rye would like to know what he did on the aoe pulls, packs.

Kudos on those numbers though O_o

February 7th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Beta
 23 

Shut up! you did 5k dps on patch with rank 1 FS/HB! Damn.

Thanks for a great site!

February 7th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Jr
 24 

Personally the Blood spec doesnt seem to keep up with the modified E-peen build, but it is alot more fun and pretty hardy t regardless.

Great work SJ

February 8th, 2009 at 12:44 am
Schwarzenaga
 25 

Back in full force, ehh SJ?…lol

That sucks to hear about the Immortal achievement….some guild on my server was able to attain it and got their black proto drakes this weekend…needless to say, they got hackled at…..

you guys will get it next time!….no deaths until Sapph is pretty damn impressive….

but one question on the blood spec, would it not be plausible to try it until you get the Sigil of Awareness?

February 9th, 2009 at 9:29 am
UnholyDK
 26 

Hey SJ, Now that you have two mean slicers to test out dual wield, would you be able to see at what point strength would be more important than more hit rating. Right now I have 391 hit rating but only 890 str/2700 atkp. Im not the number crunching genious that could tell you that at X amount of hit for dual wield strength should be your priority.

February 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
soth
 27 

I’m in the same boat as the last couple. I have around 375 hit rating and just under 2900 AP as duel wield. I have mostly expertise gems in my gear for the cap which didn’t leave much room for +str. Wondering if it would help to cut some hit. Then again I have about 28% crit unbuffed so its a gear stat ratio problem too.

Also I tried the decease-less blood spec yesterday. Was putting out around 3k dps on boss heroic boss fights. Finished at about 2.3k overall. I’m hit and exp capped with 4.1k AP and 32% crit self buffed. I liked it a lot

February 10th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Eatmorbabies (Azuremyst - Horde)
 28 

Heya SJ,

Been reading your posts for a while now. Unfortunately I found out about your page late and had to spend HOURS reading EVERYTHING. Time well spent.

Anyhow, I’ve been Unholy since I made my DK. Tried out Frost DW and didn’t like it much. Never tried Blood….until I saw the disease-less spec…

Not having to replenish diseases, after being Unholy for so long, sounded AMAZING! /yay

So, I tried it out. I managed 4004 DPS and top overall damage done on Patchy Pants. Mind you, this was on a 10 man on horde side….so no H. Presence.

Anyhow, just thought I’d share this info with all my fellow Unholys out there. Blood Disease-less is super. So I’m officially Blood….er…well at least until our gargoyles get buffed again.

February 10th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Eatmorbabies (Azuremyst - Horde)
 29 

Also, for Runemaster and those who are worried about getting overall damage done for the entire raid…you or your guild needs to set up WWS.

Once the raid is done there is an option to see DPS and Damage Done for “All Bosses.” It completely cuts out the trash damage and DPS. All that should matter to you at this point in the game is DPS/Damage Done on Bosses.

(DPS is also a bit pointless IMO. Mages have to do a lot of replen sometimes…which makes there DPS a bit higher. If you look at WWS a lot of classes will have higher DPS than you…but you could very easily top them on damage done.)

February 10th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
infractor
 30 

Can some1 pls explain why u would take DRM with this spec? Oblit uses 1frost 1unholy, HS uses 1 blood rune, and u almost never use DStrike, so why spend 3 points on DRM? vs a 4600heal? am i missing something?

thx in advance, great site keep up the good work

February 17th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
doomchicken
 31 

WOW…I have tried the standard UH spec and I have tried the diseaseless blood spec….they were ok….but HOLY CRAP….21/50/0 frost spec is crazy damage. Found my new spec until the patch changes everything.

February 27th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Confused DK
 32 

What’s your rotation with 31/40? I really don’t see what’s the main move in this spec

March 26th, 2009 at 12:26 am

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