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Wondering there, wouldn’t it be better for batmack to spec death rune mastery rather then rune tap ? In my eyes it just seem like some pvp tab skill
Theres just one thing that bothers me with all this. You mention 6800dps with disease-less blood spec, but even this dps and tons of other results are tied to pathcwerk, a single nax boss.
Guildie said that he saw 8500 broken on patch by a dk and as far as blizzard has pushed dk dps, i wouldnt dismiss it easily.
However, this still brings us to the original problem. Bosses like patchwerk arent a realistic dps meter for raiding and id much rather see overall damage for entire nax, than patchwerk dps, since patch is pretty much an e-peen boss and one of a kind – stand in the same spot and burn your cds.
Good work jack, but tbh, id also really like to see something along the lines of best aoe spec, best ST spec, best hybrid. Cause im betting either frost or unholy can beat disease-less blood spec in heavy aoe situations, which only means that 6800 is meant for one particular encounter and not the general ability of the spec.
ok dont no where to post this so soz about that just need some advice about 33/38 dw spec im on 497 hit and wondering am i better off droping to spell hit cap and stacking more str or keep stacking hit here is my armory link please help me read to many things and i am confused as hell http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Jubei%27Thos&n=Unwerthy
While I can agree with Runemaster that Patch isn’t the end all be all fight, SJ did post the WWS report and overall for the whole raid Batmack was #1.
Also even in fights with alot of movment I can see this spec being higher than other dieased based specs. Just becuase the rotation is so easy its almost impossible to mess it up, aswell as compared to a Unholy DPS build you do not have to reapply your dieases so your SS isn’t gimped if your away from the boss for a length of time, also putting your deisease on in the middle of a rotation can throw it off, and starting the rotation from scratch would be DPS loss too.
As far as posting the Best AoE spec. It’s fairly pointless. Blizz has said trash in Uladar will be less zerg and more control. Not to mention there is 2 maybe 3 boss fights where AoE is useful right now, if that many. All an AoE spec would really be used for is E-Peen rating on trash, and really who cares about trash.
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Who honestly cares about your DPS on trash? Its trash man.
Also you can diseaseless AOE . hs hs oblit oblit hs hs hs hs hs hs. HS cleaves. There are other ways to do it with this same spec, i threw that out there since thats a really simple rotation. be creative.
And if now i read the first comment and see he doesnt have death rune mastery.
I couldnt check the spec and assumed……… made an ASS out of ME, but not U
Why do you keep glyph of IT and BS on the disease less blood specc? both seems completley worthless imo
Tried this blood spec and its pretty cool. And yeah st and aoe is basicly the same rotation, but using death runes for hs. Do wish there was a glyph for hs though, maybe like to hit additional target or some other effect.
As ever an interesting post SJ.
I think it’s worth pointing out a few things about the 51/0/20 spec though.
Mainly this is due to the continuing confusing way in which Recount and WWS track DK damage. WWS normally includes AoD damage but doesn’t assign it to a player, but in your link the Patchwerk damage in breakdown is missing.
Also, Hysteria is a bit of a pain, as it shows up as damage out, despite it being on a friendly target. In your raid, and in a vast majority of raids, a DK can’t use Hysteria on himself because a warrior will simply get more damage from it (100% physical damage plus powerful cooldowns), so it can’t be the mega dps build.
Just a little question.. if this spec is a disease-less spec why then use a glyph of icy touch when u wont apply it?? Wouldent it be better with a glyph of the ghoul?
Some might say this question is stupid, but rember its just a question..
Afaik they havent “fixed” Glyph of Bloodstrike yet so thats +20% dmg on snared targets
to clarify my post :
Glyph of Blood Strike works for Heart Strike too
jack could you tell us what you think is the best, what ur set up is? I was wodnering if you like 2h or if you like dw. wondering what most high end DK dpsers use. also is the 0/31/39 still the best raiding spec? seems like everything changes every couple of days.
i also agree with runemaster, one boss means nothing to me, he is simple, and i could care less if i get 7k dps on him. but what i am concerned with is getting 4-5k dps during the entire run, have you done testing with that?
What Glyphs was batmack using? im guessing obliterate was one
Great post SJ!
I do have a couple questions however..
1. I notice if I armory Batmack and also look at the spec you posted, there are a couple points different. Currently he has Rune Tap and not Death Rune Mastery, where as you have linked to the opposite. I’m just assuming maybe he took Rune Tap to play around with for PvP and used DRM for raiding.
2. Im curious what rotation Batmack uses while AoE’ing trash. I see that he does use Death and Decay from that WWS report, but it doesn’t account for much of his damage. I thought maybe he used it only in emergency tanking situations or something similar.
I really want to give this Disease-less spec a try, I’m just afraid I’m going to like it alot and then Blizz will nerf it to death, since they have made it clear they want DK’s using diseases and managing them and whatnot.
Oh forgot to add, in the link you posted for Batmack’s build, what is the point in Icy Touch Glyph?
He never uses it, so that seems like a total waste of a Glyph slot, granted there isn’t a ton of better Glyphs out there, but several that would at least help more than Icy Touch Glyph.
I don’t see a way to edit comments, so I have yet another thing to add :p
I don’t see any reason for 2 points in Vicious Strikes. You never use Plague Strike, you don’t even have Scourge Strike, and Death Strike only heals if you have diseases up, which you shouldn’t be using in this spec.
I think you would gain more benefit with 2 points in Anticipation (2% Dodge) seeing as how that would help if you did pull aggro, and would be a nice bonus for PvP as well.
Just throwing my 2 cents out there with these posts, I think with some fine tuning this spec could be even better than what Batmack did in his raid, which was very impressive!
Ozious, if you poke around jack has revealed all that information in one form or another.
Rye: It was probably an oversight in making the spec on the calculator for the icy touch. Diseases still work in this spec. He could drop down disease then deathstrike for heals if needed. Who cares about the dodge for a raid? He shouldnt have aggro much anyway.
The numbers don’t lie but I won’t lie either in saying I’m confused on how he did so amazing in overall dmg. I like Rye would like to know what he did on the aoe pulls, packs.
Kudos on those numbers though O_o
Shut up! you did 5k dps on patch with rank 1 FS/HB! Damn.
Thanks for a great site!
Personally the Blood spec doesnt seem to keep up with the modified E-peen build, but it is alot more fun and pretty hardy t regardless.
Great work SJ
Back in full force, ehh SJ?…lol
That sucks to hear about the Immortal achievement….some guild on my server was able to attain it and got their black proto drakes this weekend…needless to say, they got hackled at…..
you guys will get it next time!….no deaths until Sapph is pretty damn impressive….
but one question on the blood spec, would it not be plausible to try it until you get the Sigil of Awareness?
Hey SJ, Now that you have two mean slicers to test out dual wield, would you be able to see at what point strength would be more important than more hit rating. Right now I have 391 hit rating but only 890 str/2700 atkp. Im not the number crunching genious that could tell you that at X amount of hit for dual wield strength should be your priority.
I’m in the same boat as the last couple. I have around 375 hit rating and just under 2900 AP as duel wield. I have mostly expertise gems in my gear for the cap which didn’t leave much room for +str. Wondering if it would help to cut some hit. Then again I have about 28% crit unbuffed so its a gear stat ratio problem too.
Also I tried the decease-less blood spec yesterday. Was putting out around 3k dps on boss heroic boss fights. Finished at about 2.3k overall. I’m hit and exp capped with 4.1k AP and 32% crit self buffed. I liked it a lot
Heya SJ,
Been reading your posts for a while now. Unfortunately I found out about your page late and had to spend HOURS reading EVERYTHING. Time well spent.
Anyhow, I’ve been Unholy since I made my DK. Tried out Frost DW and didn’t like it much. Never tried Blood….until I saw the disease-less spec…
Not having to replenish diseases, after being Unholy for so long, sounded AMAZING! /yay
So, I tried it out. I managed 4004 DPS and top overall damage done on Patchy Pants. Mind you, this was on a 10 man on horde side….so no H. Presence.
Anyhow, just thought I’d share this info with all my fellow Unholys out there. Blood Disease-less is super. So I’m officially Blood….er…well at least until our gargoyles get buffed again.
Also, for Runemaster and those who are worried about getting overall damage done for the entire raid…you or your guild needs to set up WWS.
Once the raid is done there is an option to see DPS and Damage Done for “All Bosses.” It completely cuts out the trash damage and DPS. All that should matter to you at this point in the game is DPS/Damage Done on Bosses.
(DPS is also a bit pointless IMO. Mages have to do a lot of replen sometimes…which makes there DPS a bit higher. If you look at WWS a lot of classes will have higher DPS than you…but you could very easily top them on damage done.)
Can some1 pls explain why u would take DRM with this spec? Oblit uses 1frost 1unholy, HS uses 1 blood rune, and u almost never use DStrike, so why spend 3 points on DRM? vs a 4600heal? am i missing something?
thx in advance, great site keep up the good work
WOW…I have tried the standard UH spec and I have tried the diseaseless blood spec….they were ok….but HOLY CRAP….21/50/0 frost spec is crazy damage. Found my new spec until the patch changes everything.
What’s your rotation with 31/40? I really don’t see what’s the main move in this spec





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