Comments on: Incoming DK Nerfs, DW, and Gargoyle… http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/ Killing people one day at a time... Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:24:42 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Laiden http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/comment-page-1/#comment-3099 Laiden Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:30:21 +0000 http://www.skeletonjack.com/?p=620#comment-3099 I feel that i should recant and offer a mature insight on the new dk trees. I read a ligit point earlier, DW dks shouldnt be out-dpsing spellcasters in full t7 gear with spells. That goes against the grain of Dk lore. However after running some numbers i think blood/unholy hybrid 2hr is gonna pick up where frost/unholy dw left off. The only difference is this spec is gonna out-dps any other class with physical dmg instead of spell dmg. I feel that i should recant and offer a mature insight on the new dk trees. I read a ligit point earlier, DW dks shouldnt be out-dpsing spellcasters in full t7 gear with spells. That goes against the grain of Dk lore. However after running some numbers i think blood/unholy hybrid 2hr is gonna pick up where frost/unholy dw left off. The only difference is this spec is gonna out-dps any other class with physical dmg instead of spell dmg.

]]> By: Laiden http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/comment-page-1/#comment-3082 Laiden Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:29:35 +0000 http://www.skeletonjack.com/?p=620#comment-3082 I also agree with pwnisher. I have a life and a job. I dont have the time to farm for mats for an entry lvl 2hr epic intime to be in tonights raid slot. If blizz is gonna go the way of the nazis then perhaps they could set up a special vendor so i can get my money and badges back on my 1hrs, since they made it obvious that only noob loosers are gonna rock dw now. I also agree with pwnisher. I have a life and a job. I dont have the time to farm for mats for an entry lvl 2hr epic intime to be in tonights raid slot. If blizz is gonna go the way of the nazis then perhaps they could set up a special vendor so i can get my money and badges back on my 1hrs, since they made it obvious that only noob loosers are gonna rock dw now.

]]> By: Laiden http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/comment-page-1/#comment-3081 Laiden Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:24:08 +0000 http://www.skeletonjack.com/?p=620#comment-3081 Lets keep in mind that Dks were nothing more than a marketing ploy to keep bored MMORP gamers crying about someting, as long as the monthly bill is being paid. I dont understand why blizz didnt take nerf action on the QQs when pallys were introduced. They just keep getting buffed. BLizz wants you to be belf ret pally. Time to re-reroll. who cares? they got my 15 bucks this month. Lets keep in mind that Dks were nothing more than a marketing ploy to keep bored MMORP gamers crying about someting, as long as the monthly bill is being paid. I dont understand why blizz didnt take nerf action on the QQs when pallys were introduced. They just keep getting buffed. BLizz wants you to be belf ret pally. Time to re-reroll. who cares? they got my 15 bucks this month.

]]> By: Frostbite http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/comment-page-1/#comment-1279 Frostbite Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:51:38 +0000 http://www.skeletonjack.com/?p=620#comment-1279 Well to all the whiners dw after the patch will be lower dps than 2h. However, They are buffing the 2h damage in blood and frost so both will be about on par with unholy. Get over it guys Well to all the whiners dw after the patch will be lower dps than 2h. However, They are buffing the 2h damage in blood and frost so both will be about on par with unholy. Get over it guys

]]> By: Dual Wield Builds - Page 42 - Elitist Jerks http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/comment-page-1/#comment-1068 Dual Wield Builds - Page 42 - Elitist Jerks Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:09:29 +0000 http://www.skeletonjack.com/?p=620#comment-1068 [...] little since it just doesn’t pay for itself right now, but that could end up buffing DW too.” Incoming DK Nerfs, DW, and Gargoyle… | Skeleton Jack Are there any other blue posts about what they will really do with Killing Machine or does anyone [...] [...] little since it just doesn?t pay for itself right now, but that could end up buffing DW too.? Incoming DK Nerfs, DW, and Gargoyle… | Skeleton Jack Are there any other blue posts about what they will really do with Killing Machine or does anyone [...]

]]> By: Madbeaver http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/comment-page-1/#comment-1006 Madbeaver Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:18:14 +0000 http://www.skeletonjack.com/?p=620#comment-1006 Ahhhh, my mistake Jack! I thought you were posting 5700 as DW...... Keep your pimp hand strong, cause I deserve the /inc slap. Lately i've been posting between 3200-3600 DW spec in 10 mans on Patchwork. My gear is decent, but definately not head to toe epic. I'm hoping to break 4k in a 10 man with my spec when done with my gear. Thanks again for the clarification. Ahhhh, my mistake Jack! I thought you were posting 5700 as DW……

Keep your pimp hand strong, cause I deserve the /inc slap.

Lately i’ve been posting between 3200-3600 DW spec in 10 mans on Patchwork. My gear is decent, but definately not head to toe epic. I’m hoping to break 4k in a 10 man with my spec when done with my gear.

Thanks again for the clarification.

]]> By: Skeleton Jack http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/comment-page-1/#comment-998 Skeleton Jack Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:05:00 +0000 http://www.skeletonjack.com/?p=620#comment-998 Mad...you're just...mad!! I've dropped 5700 dps on Patchwerk already, and I'm not in best in slot gear yet. As a 2H build. And Blood/Frost 2H are getting loving from 3.0.8 patch. 2H doesn't need more dps. Doug, that wouldn't solve the problem. Often times 2 super fast weapons are proccing more KM's than can be used already. It would only screw with 2H dps (which KM is fine for atm) and still keep DW builds too high. Mad…you’re just…mad!! I’ve dropped 5700 dps on Patchwerk already, and I’m not in best in slot gear yet. As a 2H build. And Blood/Frost 2H are getting loving from 3.0.8 patch. 2H doesn’t need more dps.

Doug, that wouldn’t solve the problem. Often times 2 super fast weapons are proccing more KM’s than can be used already. It would only screw with 2H dps (which KM is fine for atm) and still keep DW builds too high.

]]> By: Madbeaver http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/comment-page-1/#comment-989 Madbeaver Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:55:54 +0000 http://www.skeletonjack.com/?p=620#comment-989 What I meant by boosting the 2h build is if Blizzard seemingly wants to force us into a certain build of their choosing, they need to start by boosting the talents and dps potential for 2h. Bring a plausible 2h spec build to the table, where it has the potential to do equal dps as DW spec, then allow people to make their choice. Keep up the good work Jack, and keep me on my toes :) What I meant by boosting the 2h build is if Blizzard seemingly wants to force us into a certain build of their choosing, they need to start by boosting the talents and dps potential for 2h. Bring a plausible 2h spec build to the table, where it has the potential to do equal dps as DW spec, then allow people to make their choice.

Keep up the good work Jack, and keep me on my toes :)

]]> By: Doug http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/comment-page-1/#comment-982 Doug Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:01:32 +0000 http://www.skeletonjack.com/?p=620#comment-982 All KM does is artifically inflate the crit% of HB and IT by 50% when you crit. Effectively half of your crits from white attacks or half of your crit % proc this talent. Dropping KM to 3 points (30%) instead of 5 would be a reasonable change for DW, but make the talent all but pointless for 2h. A possibly to remedy this would be to double the proc rate (from 30 to 60% from my suggestion) when wielding a 2h weapon to normalize it for both specs. This would have the desired effect of nerfing DW a bit and buffing 2h frost based builds as well, by increasing KM procs by 10% from the current state. All KM does is artifically inflate the crit% of HB and IT by 50% when you crit. Effectively half of your crits from white attacks or half of your crit % proc this talent. Dropping KM to 3 points (30%) instead of 5 would be a reasonable change for DW, but make the talent all but pointless for 2h.

A possibly to remedy this would be to double the proc rate (from 30 to 60% from my suggestion) when wielding a 2h weapon to normalize it for both specs. This would have the desired effect of nerfing DW a bit and buffing 2h frost based builds as well, by increasing KM procs by 10% from the current state.

]]> By: Pwnisher http://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/01/06/incoming-dk-nerfs-dw-and-gargoyle/comment-page-1/#comment-979 Pwnisher Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:31:46 +0000 http://www.skeletonjack.com/?p=620#comment-979 I've calmed down a little, but plz SJ, sell me on the statement "needs to be nerfed". Your sale needs to take into account the time and money (real and WoW) SPENT on something that is going to be taken away leaving us to respec and gear up for the next closest dps. Not all of us farm \ play the AH and have bank. I would be lucky to have 300g on me ATM. I have a suspicion that nerfing is really going to come down to pride and personal feelings. Whaa...*sniff* /cry...DW DK are too strong...*sniff* ...BOO HOO. Weren't we supposed to be a HERO CLASS? I’ve calmed down a little, but plz SJ, sell me on the statement “needs to be nerfed”. Your sale needs to take into account the time and money (real and WoW) SPENT on something that is going to be taken away leaving us to respec and gear up for the next closest dps. Not all of us farm \ play the AH and have bank. I would be lucky to have 300g on me ATM. I have a suspicion that nerfing is really going to come down to pride and personal feelings. Whaa…*sniff* /cry…DW DK are too strong…*sniff* …BOO HOO. Weren’t we supposed to be a HERO CLASS?

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