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Incoming DK Nerfs, DW, and Gargoyle…

   Posted by: Skeleton Jack   in Blue

Heya guys!! ;)   So, the big bad Blizzard Nerf Bat loom before us!!!  Arrrggghhhh!!!  Run for the hills!!!!  Ahhhhhh!!!!  lol

“There are talents that benefit DW more than 2H. We think that is more interesting than every talent always giving you the same benefit no matter what your gear choices. BCB, Killing Machine and Necrosis, among others, should benefit DW.  If DW is too strong now, as some players think, then these are talents we might change. Yeah, we agree with Sawney. A proc per minute on Killing Machine would nerf DW a little while making an expensive talent more attractive for 2H Frost.  We would also like to buff Necrosis a little since it just doesn’t pay for itself right now, but that could end up buffing DW too.” (Source)

“Mr. Gargoyle is overpowered. His damage will be going down.” (Source)

 

OK, so are any of you surprised?  Shouldn’t be.  Really.  If you are familiar with game mechanics and balance, then these comments should have been expected.  Me and my buddy Mythra are always amazed personally with game designers.  We’ve been friends for over 10 years now.  I helped co-write a tabletop role playing game that he helped play test, and we’ve both been playing MMO’s, Computer Games, and tabletop RPG’s for years.  And we honestly feel like slapping game designers sometimes because as soon as we hear what is being released we just look at one another and say, “WTF ARE THEY THINKING?!”

Hell, I’ll never forget when he told me they were releasing the Hunter tree where you could get Readiness in a full BM spec and that it worked on Beastial Wrath, aka Big Red Kitty, aka Red Rocket.  Meaning a Hunter could keep up BW for a full minute lol.  Yeah right, lololololololdiediediediediedie!!!!!  lolwut?!?!

Summon Gargoyle…aka Summon Can o’ Woop A$$!!

So Gargoyle can be 15% of a DK’s DPS.  Think about that.  How many talents in game attribute 15% of any one character’s dps?  That’s a big damn deal.  And it’s stupid early in the tree at 21 points.  So anyone can get it.  /sigh

I personally would rather see it just moved down deeper into the tree to make it an “Unholy” trick, but I don’t see them doing that.  Now the big deal here that you need to keep your eye on is the posts testing this change when it eventually hits the PTR.  No, it is not currently nerfed on PTR.  But when it is, you need to post about it in reference to Unholy DPS.  Them nerfing Garg is fine, so long as they do something to increase Unholy DPS.  Because if it gets hit upside the head, and nothing else changes…then Unholy is getting the short end of the stick.

Now as far as DW is concerned…

This needs to be nerfed, but their idea of changing KM to a PPM effect is possibly murder on that talent and horribly screws Frost as a whole.  An internal CD of say 2-5 seconds would not be bad, similar to WF imbue for Enhancement Shaman.  But this PPM crap is a bunch of nonsense.  I HIGHLY recommend you guys follow this as well.  I’ll be sure to post about it again as soon as they make changes on PTR.

Now this Necrosis buff is a world full of win imo.  Buffing something I already include in my dps spec’s = awesome.  :D   Not sure how much though, but atm it gives you less total dps than BCB does.  So expect the long term investment here to be greater than the return on BCB since BCB is 3 talent points and Necrosis 5 talent points.

As a heads up, there is an extended maintenance today for WoW…

We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, January 6th.  The downtime will begin at 3:00 AM PST and end at approximately 11:00 AM PST.

Sucks…I know.  But hey, I’ve already done 5 posts for you guys today while you wait!! ;)   Lovin’ from SJ is always sweet!!  Heh.

-Suffer Well Brothers and Sisters.

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16 comments so far

Madbeaver
 1 

I feel any nerf right now is an absolute shame….an outrage if you will. They dont need to nerf DW, they need to boost 2h talents to bring them in line. I say this because I see TONS of rogues, hunters, warlocks, and mages doing more damage than death knights. How can DK DW be overpowered or need nerfed when its well behind other pure dps classes? Sure, we wear plate…..but just like rogues and other pure dps classes, death knights built just for raid boss dps dont bring anything else to the raid. Let our dps stay in line with other primary dps classes.

FYI, I absolutely love the website SJ. Its pretty much bank in every way for dedicated DK’s.

January 6th, 2009 at 7:27 am
 2 

-.-

I have posts up here where I did 5700 dps…and you wanna boost up 2H builds? Uhm…

January 6th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Yukionna
 3 

Ah well, the gargoyle was definitely over-budget for 1 talent point. At least it will be getting Night of the Dead’s AoE damage reduction though.

Will be watching the KM changes closely.. i’ve been trying to work out a mathematical model for just how much KM ups a DW spec’s dps but it’s proving a total nightmare with all the other factors, including KM proc crits that may have been crits anyway etc. Any ideas how we can predict what kind of nerf would yield what kind of dps loss?

I digress.

Using howling blast has definitely got me more interested in frost spec though, may switch from 17/0/54 to a 2h frost build next patch I am loving it so much.

Keep up the good work on the blog, i’m loving it.

January 6th, 2009 at 9:58 am
proximous
 4 

SK, I have a problem that you or the other readers could help. I’m 51/13/7 spec. On my server after we win wintergrasp we do the 25 man vaults. 5X this week all the DK’s were booted due to low dps. Last night I was 9th and still got removed . What can I do to quit getting booted ?

January 6th, 2009 at 10:26 am
 5 

I don’t think I understand. You were number 9, but got booted. How could you place at 9 if you were booted before the kill? Sounds like you need to find new peeps to do the 25 man with personally.

HB will be OP, nuff said.

January 6th, 2009 at 10:29 am
proximous
 6 

I can only think of Death Knight hatred . Lol. Should I just do 5 and 10 man at the moment.

January 6th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Pwnisher
 7 

Agree in-full with MadBeaver. WTF with nerfs…? Does every sports team have equal caliber players at every position? NO …and guess what? It makes things more interesting and superstars pop out of the mix. To add to this, other classes already out-dps DKs, so why nerf anything? …so some unholy loving DK can keep their macro rotations and server ranking? I just don’t get it. What is the REAL story behind nerfing??? It’s not like the Alliance DK DW are stronger than the Horde equivilents, right? That would be a good reason to nerf. Anyway, I personally know two people who quit WoW when their locks were nerfed. Just F’ing ridiculous already! For the money Blizz is making on this game this sh^t should be correct (“balanced”) right out of the box. You don’t sell something and then take it away. Yes folks we pay for this every month. Total BS!!!

January 6th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Pwnisher
 8 

I’ve calmed down a little, but plz SJ, sell me on the statement “needs to be nerfed”. Your sale needs to take into account the time and money (real and WoW) SPENT on something that is going to be taken away leaving us to respec and gear up for the next closest dps. Not all of us farm \ play the AH and have bank. I would be lucky to have 300g on me ATM. I have a suspicion that nerfing is really going to come down to pride and personal feelings. Whaa…*sniff* /cry…DW DK are too strong…*sniff* …BOO HOO. Weren’t we supposed to be a HERO CLASS?

January 6th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Doug
 9 

All KM does is artifically inflate the crit% of HB and IT by 50% when you crit. Effectively half of your crits from white attacks or half of your crit % proc this talent. Dropping KM to 3 points (30%) instead of 5 would be a reasonable change for DW, but make the talent all but pointless for 2h.

A possibly to remedy this would be to double the proc rate (from 30 to 60% from my suggestion) when wielding a 2h weapon to normalize it for both specs. This would have the desired effect of nerfing DW a bit and buffing 2h frost based builds as well, by increasing KM procs by 10% from the current state.

January 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Madbeaver
 10 

What I meant by boosting the 2h build is if Blizzard seemingly wants to force us into a certain build of their choosing, they need to start by boosting the talents and dps potential for 2h. Bring a plausible 2h spec build to the table, where it has the potential to do equal dps as DW spec, then allow people to make their choice.

Keep up the good work Jack, and keep me on my toes :)

January 6th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
 11 

Mad…you’re just…mad!! I’ve dropped 5700 dps on Patchwerk already, and I’m not in best in slot gear yet. As a 2H build. And Blood/Frost 2H are getting loving from 3.0.8 patch. 2H doesn’t need more dps.

Doug, that wouldn’t solve the problem. Often times 2 super fast weapons are proccing more KM’s than can be used already. It would only screw with 2H dps (which KM is fine for atm) and still keep DW builds too high.

January 6th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Madbeaver
 12 

Ahhhh, my mistake Jack! I thought you were posting 5700 as DW……

Keep your pimp hand strong, cause I deserve the /inc slap.

Lately i’ve been posting between 3200-3600 DW spec in 10 mans on Patchwork. My gear is decent, but definately not head to toe epic. I’m hoping to break 4k in a 10 man with my spec when done with my gear.

Thanks again for the clarification.

January 6th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Frostbite
 13 

Well to all the whiners dw after the patch will be lower dps than 2h. However, They are buffing the 2h damage in blood and frost so both will be about on par with unholy. Get over it guys

January 18th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Laiden
 14 

Lets keep in mind that Dks were nothing more than a marketing ploy to keep bored MMORP gamers crying about someting, as long as the monthly bill is being paid. I dont understand why blizz didnt take nerf action on the QQs when pallys were introduced. They just keep getting buffed. BLizz wants you to be belf ret pally. Time to re-reroll. who cares? they got my 15 bucks this month.

April 14th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Laiden
 15 

I also agree with pwnisher. I have a life and a job. I dont have the time to farm for mats for an entry lvl 2hr epic intime to be in tonights raid slot. If blizz is gonna go the way of the nazis then perhaps they could set up a special vendor so i can get my money and badges back on my 1hrs, since they made it obvious that only noob loosers are gonna rock dw now.

April 14th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Laiden
 16 

I feel that i should recant and offer a mature insight on the new dk trees. I read a ligit point earlier, DW dks shouldnt be out-dpsing spellcasters in full t7 gear with spells. That goes against the grain of Dk lore. However after running some numbers i think blood/unholy hybrid 2hr is gonna pick up where frost/unholy dw left off. The only difference is this spec is gonna out-dps any other class with physical dmg instead of spell dmg.

April 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

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