Comments on: Dual Wield Spec and Summon Gargoyle – explanations and reasonsing behind the nerfs/changes.

By: Skeleton Jack

Skeleton Jack — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:28:31 +0000

KM at a 5 PPM is working properly. It’s just obvious that some idiots in Blizzard don’t understand the mechanics of their own game, or they’d have realized instantly that a 5 PPM per weapon was ludicrous.

By: claxpumon

claxpumon — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:12:25 +0000

Hey SJ great article about current issues with DW hybrid DKs. I was tanking a heroic one day and recount meters literally showed the hybrid dw dk popping ~40% of the party damage. This wasn’t due to other dpsers lacking gear or skill. The DK was simply specced and geared right. My guildies (comprised of mainly IRL friends) currently want me to respec dps so we can try various raid instances since tanking and heals are covered. Also to add to the issue, with haste on rune recovery speed; I’ve seen DKs using non-plate items (not to say that is not allowed since our cap is plate anyways) to add to missing haste bonus or other bonuses. I didn’t notice too much +haste plate gear but noticed many leather/mail combo with lots of added haste. If this does play a marginal part in this issue, I suggest Blizz allowing DKs to only wear plate gear without nerfing the spec itself. Since it is a hero class, it should be reviewed under different circumstances. Also for substitution to nerfing specs, I would suggest increasing the hit cap for DW-ers. This is just a thought but this could go well enough so that it gives DW DK community a chance to swing two weapons with respect but gear-permitting. (Kinda like pre-WoTLK rogue specs. raiders started phasing off of combat tree as their gears got better such as muta rogues or hybriders.) Blue posts indicate that they are investigating and I truly hope that theres a bug somewhere with KM /w added haste effects. But hey, we know Blizzard can’t make everybody happy and everybody is still willing to play WoW despite nerfs. By the way, what happened to all the warlocks?

By: phantomlimb

phantomlimb — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:28:25 +0000

frostmoon.. KM makes it crit doesnt increase the dmg from crits so you stating that there crits are crazy “EVEN WITHOUGHT THERE PROCS!!” zomg it would be the same.. imagine that

By: Gorefriend

Gorefriend — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:59:54 +0000

I’m currently DW away. Topped dps charts. And feeling totally guilty doing it. I’m playing worse than I did as 2h Unholy, yet doing more dps. Hell, I don’t even need the gargoyle. It’s daft.

That and I hate DW. Always been a big stick fan.

By: Doomchicken

Doomchicken — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:43:11 +0000

Hey maybe they will make another retarded decision and allow DKs to duel wield 2 handers as well, that way it makes this whole arguement pointless.

By: Doomchicken

Doomchicken — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:30:04 +0000

Hey SJ, when will the weapon best in slot list come out?

By: Kharkuss

Kharkuss — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:50:50 +0000

I think Blizz dropped the ball on this one. If they intended DKs to be a 2h class, they shouldn’t have given them the option to DW. But they did and now it’s “Clean Up! Aisle 6!” Personally, I’m slightly annoyed at having survived the “lol dw dknub” phase only to have the rug pulled out from under me. But in the same breath, I agree it does need a nerf, tho I’d like to see it remain viable as a raid spec.

In the broader sceme of things, I think we all need to hold onto our proverbial hats for a while. Admit it or not, the entire class is OP. Blizz knows it. Every other class screams it. It’s only a matter of time before we see our DPS go down significantly, no matter the spec. Until then, enjoy it while it lasts

By: Todesritter

Todesritter — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:17:00 +0000

Broderick,

From my experience, I’d take a look at a 2H unholy build. Mind you this is pre-patch. Although post patch a Blood spec might be good to, for survival. Honestly though if you’re not raiding or doing heroics, Spec in the talents that you have the most fun with, its a game and if you’re not having fun, why play?

By: Broderick

Broderick — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:20:29 +0000

Hey SJ, quick question for you. I just hit 80 a few days ago and got my epic flyer. Is there a particular spec that you think is best for farming/daily quests? My play time is really limited, so I don’t know how often I’ll be able to do Heroics and such. Love the site, I’ve learned a ton!!!

By: Madbeaver

Madbeaver — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:22:01 +0000

I dont know what all the fuss is about, and DK’s certainly shouldn’t “want” their class to get nerfed in anyway. I can find raid stats posted all over the web, from both elite guilds down to noob casual’s, where Rogues, Hunters, Warlocks, and Mages out dps the DK’s.

Thats not to say that DK’s aren’t capable of topping the DPS meter, but its not the norm. Matter of fact, its hard to find DK’s at the top of any real DPS meter in a serious raid.

So why do anything to nerf them? I’ll admit that maybe the Gargoyle needs to be moved farther down the Unholy tree, but nothing else really seems too out of line……

Now, before you throw the noob book at me, take a look at what the pure dps DK brings to a raid. Ummm, not much. Our Horn buff and haste buff is just like the shaman totems. Matter of fact, i’d rather have the totem. Thats it, we dont bring anything else. Say what you want about blood aura or unholy aura, but they are pretty much meaningless. Not like they are really going to make a difference in a win/lose situation….you will win or lose any encounter just as easily with them as you would without them.

Also, to satisfy my curiosity, can someone point me to all of these Blizzard quotes or threads where the developers are outright stating they want the DK’s to be 2h users? I’ve been mulling this over with some of my other hardcore buddies, and its just hard to swallow that Blizzard would come out and say that they WANT to buttonhole DK’s into being 2h. If that were the case, they would take DW completely away from their trees. As it stands, it only makes sense that blizzard leaves it in the hands of the player to decide what he wants to do. At the same time, however, it is up to Blizzard to ensure that if you spec to be DPS that both DW and 2h builds should somehow be comparable.

Thanks again Jack!