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Dec

Top DPS specs in game for DK’s, WWS, Recount, and more!!

   Posted by: Skeleton Jack   in Raids, Specs

Heya guys!!  OK, so I said I did 5700 DPS on Patchwerk.  Hell, I’ve got the SS to prove it.  But as many are, and probably more who are not, aware Recount has it’s own method of determining DPS.  Which is slightly inaccurate.  Now the big boys on the block for factual proven numbers are WoW Web Stats and WoW Meter Online.

These basically record the in game combat log and put up in pretty graphics what you really did and how.  Now for the purposes of online measuring the top ranked DPS’ers in WoW, people rate other players by not their DPS, but their “Effective DPS”.  What does that mean?  Glad you asked.

Effective DPS is basically how much Damage you do per duration of the boss encounter instead of the damage per second (DPS) you do.  What is the difference you ask?  Say a boss encounter lasts for 3 minutes, or 180 seconds.  Now lets say you did not run in and make contact with the boss until 10 seconds had passed.  And lets also say that you dealt 100,000 damage in this encounter.

DPS = Damage per second.  You spent 170 seconds dealing damage so your DPS is 100,000/170 = 588.235

“Effective DPS” = Damage per second for the encounter.  You spent 180 seconds in the encounter so 100,000/180 = 555.555

Now there have been arguements about the fairness of that method, but it doesn’t matter anymore.  That is the tried and true accepted method of measuring DPS now online for WoW.  So pretty much you have to deal with it.  Whether you like it or not, heh.  ;)   Basically, if you want to get ranked you have to bust your hump and get into every fight *right* away.

Now Recount does add everything in, such as Army of the Dead.  Yes, I said it.  ARMY OF THE DEAD!!!  BEWARE MY UNDEAD HORDE!!!!  RAWRR!!!!

Heh.  At the start of Patchwerk I drop AotD becuase they don’t Taunt bosses.  Go figure right?  Well those lil suckers do a butt ton of damage…but it does not appear that WWS is setup to acknowledge them as part of your DPS.  So they did not even record it for me.  /sigh

Right, so if you look here again you will see that I did 5700 DPS and that Batmack did 5500 DPS.  Sweet right?  So I wanted to go look up all of the information on the fight.  So we head over here to the WWS Report “Clicky“.

Now if you look at the top right side of the window with all of the toons and dps listed in it, there will be a box named “Columns” with 2 small gear icons.  Click on it.  It will expand a list of columns to optimize the charts.  Under Dmg Out there is a list of green choices.  The last one is “Avg DPS”.  Make sure it is checked.  That is the “Effective DPS” number I was telling you guys about.

Now you will see here that I did 5400 DPS (instead of 5700 DPS) and that Batmack did 5800 DPS (instead of 5500 DPS).  Weird right?  Inorite!?!?  /cry  I was cool for a moment!! :(

So, that has been driving me CRAZY.  For some time now.  You just do not know.  My itemization in Unholy setup, versus his DW gear setup, should be able to put me ahead.  But it doesn’t.  So I did some searching on the net.  And I found this wonderful link “Clicky” at WoW Meter Online.

So here is the deal.  The Top 10 rated DK’s for DPS for the ideal tank and spank fight in game rocked out for 5300 to 5700 DPS with that site.  Batmack’s DPS would have placed him at the number 5 spot in that encounter.  Pretty dope eh?  Word!!  Who’s mother?!?!  What?!

Exactly…heh.  ;)

Eight of the DK’s were a Dual Wield Howling Blast/Unholy spec.  2 of them were Unholy spec’d.  And more than one of the DK’s used a SLOW MH weapon instead of using FAST/FAST weapons in each hand.  Interesting stuff eh?

0/32/39 is the standard DW spec atm.  Standard variations include swapping points around in Night of the Dead, Crypt Fever, and Bone Shield.   And no I have not had time to track down the Glyphs and Rotations yet.  Sorry.  SLOW/FAST is entirely viable atm for DW spec, as is FAST/FAST.  I’ve looked through a lot of the gear for these people and the gear disparity is enough in both directions that player skill and RNG is accounting for the DPS differences more than gear is.

So, the end result appears to be that Dual Wield is currently leading the pack, followed closely by Unholy.  Ideally 2 DK’s (one spec’d into each) would bring great raid utility as well.  Unholy would bring Ebon Plaguebringer and Unholy Aura, while the DW would bring Imp Icy Talons and Crypt Fever.  Which would allow both specs to do their maximum potential DPS so long as all other raid buffs were covered.

I don’t have finalized research done on DW spec, their rotations, their glyphs, or their BISI.  So…since I’m making damn sure I do the BISI posts 100% correctly this time, it is getting pushed back ever so slightly again.  Why?  I don’t know that I have accurate weight scales for APE for DW builds.  So gimme some time.  I’m working this stuff out.  Good luck to those out there whatever spec they try!!

-Suffer Well Brothers and Sisters.

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28 comments so far

Forrest
 1 

What is the best dps spec for all raids with a 2h?

January 1st, 2009 at 2:31 pm
 2 

17/0/54 Unholy is the best DPS spec for 2H atm. However keep in mind that Blood and Frost are very comprable and are both being buffed in 3.0.8 patch. So they will be better, and could surpass Unholy.

January 1st, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Forrest
 3 

Could you give me a specific spec that is all around good in all raids, that wil put out the most dps, ive had soo much trouble i have t7.5 and im geared i just cant get the right rotation or spec or anything :[

January 1st, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Rhune
 4 

Forrest –

Jack has everything you need answered for you here in the site. Do a little back reading. The first thing that would help you is for you to post your spec and your current rotation so that we can take a look at it and try to help you.

January 2nd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Forrest
 5 

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Paralelas
Current spec
rotation is IT>PS>SS>BS>BS>Death coil. repeat

January 3rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Prk
 6 

Hey Forrest

I have the exactly the same problem like you have. I got 5/5 T7.5. And im blood specced. Im using a 2-h weapon aswell. And im realy nuking down the boss or what ever, but it seems like im always at the same position. That will say im always at number 10 on Recount, i dont know why. I’ve been looking for a new spec aswell, but since Blood will get buffed i might stick to it, Since i realy love those big crits :-) Thanks Alot jack for this realy awesome homepage!

Prk @ Vek’Nilash EU Horde

January 5th, 2009 at 11:10 am
xhino
 7 

This is my talent buil
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/deathknight/talents.html
My rotation is: IT/PS/Oblite/HS/HS/ deat coil/deat coil

WHat do you think, I´m 78 at the moment but I dont know if its my gear or what but I have not been the top DPS of the runs i have made.
DO you think i should try unholy or dual wield?

January 5th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Forrest
 8 

OK so i just picked up 2 1h the grass cutter and the bone crusher mace BoE. this spec is great, just a quick question. Why nt use obliterate becase i have the sigil that increases it by 420?

January 6th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
 9 

Oblit is based off of weapon damage. And the entire spec is based around increasing your spell damage (read IT) and buffing HB (read Rime proc from using IT). Oblit on a 1H weapon is not comparative to HB/IT usage.

Xhino, for leveling up there is no easy answer. Just pull 3+ mobs, open up IT -> PS -> Pest -> DnD (highest AoE potential) and then spend RP and use Death Strike as needed.

Try these posts:
http://www.skeletonjack.com/2008/11/18/death-knights-a-true-aoe-class/
http://www.skeletonjack.com/2008/12/04/baby-death-knights-i-got-some-lovin-for-you-still-while-you-level/

January 6th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Korone
 10 

here’s a real question in terms of damage. 17/0/54 death rune and aura speced….why not actually go 5/5 desecration rather than DR and aura. as movement speed…really unimportant for any combat unless you’re afraid of it or have no real damage output and need to run…even tho you get a 2nd wind to get something done…anyways back to topic. as the death rune ICD and even when you proc you still have to wait for it to come off CD before you can pop your next SS and if you run your rotation IT>PS>BS>BS>SS>UB>BT>SS>SS>SS you shouldn’t have to worry bout any upkeep aswell as with 4/5 t7 you don’t have to worry bout losing RP. As you see in my normal rotation i use BS twice rather than waiting doing necro and white damage. aswell as building up enough RP to get a UB and Garg out in 1 round. that is insane for damage…and if you run low on RP just pop ERW and BT then bam back over 50RP and even then you can also use RD to kick up another 20 now that gives you well enough to keep your rotation flowing upkeep of garg and UB for the gargs life span…so, as you can see i’ve no trouble with rotation or spec it’s a question over the output as 5% seems pretty nice as it’s all your damage while you’re in it…

January 11th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Melanthios
 11 

whats rotation?

February 8th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
 12 

I’ve done extensive testing and was unholy for a very long time convinced it was the best 2h spec, however trying this blows unholy out of the water

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVh0f0bZG0xxGxdRhoV0s

You willl need 4 piece set bonus using Unholy Presence, Glyph of Frost Strike, Glyph of Obliterate, Glyph of Icy Touch

Rotation is OB-OB-BS-BS (to get rolling) then repeat the following indefinitely

IT-IT-OB-IT-BS

lots of frost strike, and HB if Rime procs

DW builds don’t even stand a chance against this. Doing 3100 dps against heroic dummy easily, and 6k on PW. It’s ridiculous.

It’s very good for AoE as well with Rime HB procs and Killing Machine, though not quite as good as unholy for killing trash.

February 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Nazgaúl
 13 

Guy’s i dw and do lots of dmg. top 2 in 25 man naxx. rotation is

it,ps,hb,bs,bs hb. rinse and repeat. use dc when waiting for cooldowns. pestulance as required.

February 27th, 2009 at 4:25 am
pyron
 14 

forrest your spec does not include SS so i dont no how you get that in your rotation m8 im unholy can any 1 tell me the best rotation for it plz?

March 8th, 2009 at 10:49 am
mike
 15 

ok guys i know your all raid geared and all but i do about 3.5-4k dps in 25 man naxx im curently unholy at 10/10/51 and im always #1 on recount now unholy is just my opinion for you all who love dmg but im no expert

March 28th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Deatthndecay
 16 

i just hit lvl 80 and wanting to know the best spec for DPS in grp’s and raids and weither to use 2h or 1h’s and a rotation plz. :) a link of talents would do fine thnx :)

March 31st, 2009 at 6:39 am
DontDiePlez
 17 

My current spec is Blood.I usually do anywhere from 2k-3.8k dps and ive only been level 80 for 5 days. Yes of course i have other toons. uhm but my real question is if im optimizing my talents. My Armory link is that right there:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bloodscalp&n=Dontdieplez

When im fighting trash i ,Deathanddecay>pestilance>heartstrike>obliterate>heartstrike>deathcoil>pestilence>heartstrike>deathcoil>heartstrike>obliterate>obliterate.And i use my cooldowns as much as i can only 3-5 min cd I jsut keep doing it in that order. So my real question is am i doing anythign wrong and can i put out more dps then i am already for how long ive been lvl 80?I know i need some different gear but for what i have right now am i optimizing myself? if uc ant check my armory i am 51/5/15.

April 4th, 2009 at 3:44 am
DontDiePlez
 18 

i forgot to mention i use the same skills when im fighting a boss except i dont use deathanddecay

April 4th, 2009 at 3:48 am
Godspeed
 19 

I want the best PVE (Raiding) specc u can have for naxx25 man

June 28th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Nercrøsis
 20 

i have been lvl 80 for a few weeks got some emblems items and drops from hc’s but my dps is around 1400-1600 and i can’t find an anwser i thought maybe a new spec and glyphs but i can’t find anything atm i am 0/13/58 and am using the tiansteel destroyer can any1 give me a nice PvE spec to give me max dps or any addon advice plx help

Nercrøsis Vek’Nilash EU Horde

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 am
Rotface
 21 

i use DnD,IT,PS,Pestilence,Unholy Blight,death rune mastery,IT,PS,pestilence,blood boil, ss reapeat without DnD

July 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 am
Rotface
 22 

i topped 2k dps at 78

July 3rd, 2009 at 2:00 am
Nercrøsis
 23 

KK ty

July 3rd, 2009 at 9:02 am
Syynn
 24 

I turned 80 a couple of days ago. i top 1.6k DPS

my current Talent is 65/4/2… i n eed alot of help it want to know which spec should i go for with my gear

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Rexxar&n=Syynn

July 3rd, 2009 at 9:09 am
Syynn
 25 

Oh i have a 2h weapon too justincase your wondering

July 3rd, 2009 at 9:10 am
Dethblooms
 26 

Here is my current build. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Khaz+Modan&cn=Dethblooms&gn=Moonshine+Runners

My rotation is PS > IT> HSx2> Oblit > DC > Oblit> HS> DCx2

But for some reason my DPS iis not getting above 2k. Anyone have any ideas on what i should do?

August 12th, 2009 at 7:43 am
S Shizel
 27 

im runnin round in blood atm and toppin at 2.8 -3k i get in raid groups wit the other dks smashing me me sittin lik 10th them 2nd 3rd ish im ok geared and 2hder evrythin more then capped jus cant figure out how to do the more so from dps can any1 tell us wat the go is lol

September 9th, 2009 at 8:28 am
S Shizel
 28 

oh and my rot is

IT/PS/DS/HS/HS/DC till cds bak and poppin hysteria and DRW wen possible

September 9th, 2009 at 8:30 am

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